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If English were written like Chinese (1999)

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Re: If English were written like Chinese (1999)

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The increasing use of icons and emoji suggests that English will become like Chinese! (Ever try to look up an icon in a dictionary? This puts paid to the idea that icons are decipherable by people who don't know the language. Copyrighting the icons makes even that infinitely worse, as it prevents standardization.)

A running joke in Gibson's "Idoru" is that the lead character, through all her adventures, carries an icon dictionary.

Re: If English were written like Chinese (1999)

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This is a fantastic guide / insight for how Chinese characters work, and does a great deal to dispel the myth that Chinese characters are virtually random - that each individual character requires independent memorization.

As someone who has studied both Chinese and Japanese, this article read very fluidly. Curious how other readers have found this?

Re: If English were written like Chinese (1999)

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[work] + [fight] + [sun] is poor Huffmanization of the common English suffix -tion. That's what, 14 strokes when English just takes 7?

Well, maybe that was the point, though -- that the priorities of the language may change over time, and eventually you're dealing with 2000 year old Cockney rhyming slang baked into your written language. But that's just the opinion of one guy sitting on his Vannevar.

Re: If English were written like Chinese (1999)

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The increasing use of icons and emoji suggests that English will become like Chinese! (Ever try to look up an icon in a dictionary? This puts paid to the idea that icons are decipherable by people who don't know the language. Copyrighting the icons makes even that infinitely worse, as it prevents standardization.)

An icon? no. There are however, online hanzi dictionaries where the user draws a character, here's one:

http://ce.linedict.com/dict.html#/cnen/home

See the paintbrush next to the magnifying glass in the search field.

Re: If English were written like Chinese (1999)

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post #14

[work] + [fight] + [sun] is poor Huffmanization of the common English suffix -tion . That's what, 14 strokes when English just takes 7? Well, maybe that was the point, though -- that the priorities of the language may change over time, and eventually you're dealing with 2000 year old Cockney rhyming slang baked into your written language. But that's just the opinion of one guy sitting on his Vannevar.

That is a part of the analogy which definitely applies -- Chinese script (even Simplified) often completely ignores Huffman coding-like principles. Otherwise we wouldn't have words like 繼續 "continue" (41 strokes).

Re: If English were written like Chinese (1999)

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This article is actually a lot better at explaining the characters system used in both china and Japan, than the articles that have hit the front page today and in the last week or so.

It's a fucked up writing system that is pretty beautiful as well. Unfortunately it has limited the number of syllables (combinations of sounds) in the language. Why? Because they have to make due with just 2000 phonetic sounds (335 in modern Japanese) while English letters can combine in many more ways and form a much more diverse array of sounds.

As a result Japanese people (probably Chinese too) have a hard time processing some of the English syllables. This creates difficulty in learning English for Japanese and Chinese, and in turn, it leads to isolation. It's like a "cultural moat" separating ideographic languages from phonetic ones. If they tried to give it up, it would be sad, because of all the history and beauty it has, but on the other hand, in these countries children in the 5th grade can't properly read a newspaper because they need to already know 2000 characters and many more combinations of characters by rote. By comparison, a first grader can read a newspaper in English.

In terms of programming, Chinese is like Perl (even Perl6! - huge, complex, mysterious, beautiful) and English is like Lua (small, elegant, expressive).

"There is a standing joke among sinologists that one of the first signs of senility in a China scholar is the compulsion to come up with a new romanization method"[1]. That's how much they are bothered by the huge initial cost of learning it.

[1] "Why Chinese Is So Damn Hard" - http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html

Re: If English were written like Chinese (1999)

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post #12

What a breath of fresh air is a 1999-era web page. Fast loading, simple, readable.

...horrid color schemes, no support for mobile devices...yeah, what a breath of fresh air.

The background is light colored and the foreground is 100% black, and the text is full width and large on my phone. What would mobile support mean, a hamburger menu and no zooming? No thanks.
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