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Ubuntu Will Switch To Base-10 File Size Units In Future Release

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Re: Ubuntu Will Switch To Base-10 File Size Units In Future Release

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Post by plesn »

AngryParsley wrote: post #7
barnaby wrote: post #3

I'm amazed at the depth Canonical are going into in order to make the user experience for Ubuntu as simple and stunning as possible. It's this kind of attention to detail is making Ubuntu the number one OS out there.

Compared to OS X or Windows, I'd say Ubuntu gets a lot of details wrong. The window button positioning was a recent example, but it's by no means the first. Below are some bugs that I have experienced while using 9.10 or 10.04 beta. I also noted the year they were filed. Lots of redundant fonts: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/18666 (2005) Copy-pasting text is broken in some apps. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ub…

On the contrary, I feel that they are just beginning to get interested in the user experience: boot process, themes, app installation, IM integration, scanning app, etc... I have high expectations for 10.10 on this side.

Re: Ubuntu Will Switch To Base-10 File Size Units In Future Release

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Post by tvon »

plesn wrote: post #11
AngryParsley wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compared to OS X or Windows, I'd say Ubuntu gets a lot of details wrong. The window button positioning was a recent example, but it's by no means the first. Below are some bugs that I have experienced while using 9.10 or 10.04 beta. I also noted the year they were filed. Lots of redundant fonts: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/18666 (2005) Copy-pasting text is broken in some apps. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ub…

On the contrary, I feel that they are just beginning to get interested in the user experience: boot process, themes, app installation, IM integration, scanning app, etc... I have high expectations for 10.10 on this side.

Well, the user experience is more or less the point of Ubuntu, so I'd say they've been working on it since 2004. They've made a lot of progress, certainly, but it's not like they've just turned their attention to these things...

Re: Ubuntu Will Switch To Base-10 File Size Units In Future Release

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Post by hartror »

AngryParsley wrote: post #7
barnaby wrote: post #3

I'm amazed at the depth Canonical are going into in order to make the user experience for Ubuntu as simple and stunning as possible. It's this kind of attention to detail is making Ubuntu the number one OS out there.

Compared to OS X or Windows, I'd say Ubuntu gets a lot of details wrong. The window button positioning was a recent example, but it's by no means the first. Below are some bugs that I have experienced while using 9.10 or 10.04 beta. I also noted the year they were filed. Lots of redundant fonts: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/18666 (2005) Copy-pasting text is broken in some apps. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ub…

Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with you there. The user experience in Ubuntu is strong and consistent. Their philosophy makes sense even for power users. Users can find the all the options they normally need and power users can dig into things to customise further.

I've never hit any of these bugs (and have been using Ubuntu full time since defecting from Fedora in '05) and most of them have very good reasons for not being fixed or are a work in progress and none of them are a user experience nightmare.

Re: Ubuntu Will Switch To Base-10 File Size Units In Future Release

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Post by axod »

AngryParsley wrote: post #10
axod wrote: post #9

This is like the half metrication of the UK. You end up with 2 systems, and twice as much confusion. Base 2 is far more logical and useful IMHO :/ Wouldn't it be so much simpler if humans had evolved to have 16 fingers instead of 10...

We should use imperial units since they're more natural/intuitive/(insert rationalization here): 1 InchByte = 2.54 bytes = approximately pi bits (Edit: oops, it's about 20 bits. I divided where I should have multiplied.) 1 FootByte = 30.5 bytes 1 YardByte = 91.4 bytes 1 RodByte = 503 bytes 1 MileByte = 160,934 bytes 1 AUByte = 14.7 terabytes 1 LightYearByte = 841 petabytes So 1 megabyte is almost exactly 2^15 footbyt…

Using measurements appropriate to the thing you're measuring makes far more sense than trying to standardize everything into some cludgy unuseful system just so it's "standard".

FWIW, if you're basing things on imperial, you would more likely base your measurements on useful measurements that come up frequently in the domain you're measuring - file sizes etc.

For instance, you'd probably have some unit of measurement that pretty much equates to an average mp3 file of a song - say 3MB. Call it an mp3byte... etc

Then you could say "Yeah this file upload is 10mp3bytes", and people would know what you're talking about.

Re: Ubuntu Will Switch To Base-10 File Size Units In Future Release

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Post by jrockway »

AngryParsley wrote: post #7
barnaby wrote: post #3

I'm amazed at the depth Canonical are going into in order to make the user experience for Ubuntu as simple and stunning as possible. It's this kind of attention to detail is making Ubuntu the number one OS out there.

Compared to OS X or Windows, I'd say Ubuntu gets a lot of details wrong. The window button positioning was a recent example, but it's by no means the first. Below are some bugs that I have experienced while using 9.10 or 10.04 beta. I also noted the year they were filed. Lots of redundant fonts: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/18666 (2005) Copy-pasting text is broken in some apps. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ub…

I like how you post this comment in every Ubuntu thread. Why not sit down and fix those bugs if they bother you so much?

Re: Ubuntu Will Switch To Base-10 File Size Units In Future Release

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Post by Alejandro »

barnaby wrote: post #3

I'm amazed at the depth Canonical are going into in order to make the user experience for Ubuntu as simple and stunning as possible. It's this kind of attention to detail is making Ubuntu the number one OS out there.

IMHO, this is the kind of attention to detail that could make Ubuntu the number one OS someday.

Re: Ubuntu Will Switch To Base-10 File Size Units In Future Release

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Post by AngryParsley »

hartror wrote: post #13
AngryParsley wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compared to OS X or Windows, I'd say Ubuntu gets a lot of details wrong. The window button positioning was a recent example, but it's by no means the first. Below are some bugs that I have experienced while using 9.10 or 10.04 beta. I also noted the year they were filed. Lots of redundant fonts: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/18666 (2005) Copy-pasting text is broken in some apps. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ub…

Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with you there. The user experience in Ubuntu is strong and consistent. Their philosophy makes sense even for power users. Users can find the all the options they normally need and power users can dig into things to customise further. I've never hit any of these bugs (and have been using Ubuntu full time since defecting from Fedora in '05) and most of them have very good reasons…

I've never hit any of these bugs

Lucky for you. Unfortunately, I and many others have.

most of them have very good reasons for not being fixed

Some of them have inane reasons for not being fixed. From https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316654

Resolution: WONTFIX "I don't have any plans to support this. My view is that any screensaver theme that requires configuration is inherently broken."

or are a work in progress

In progress for five years?

and none of them are a user experience nightmare.

I wasn't talking about nightmares, just minor things that are broken. You want nightmares? Try:

2.6.28-11 causes massive data corruption on 64 bit installations https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/346691 (March 2009) This one is particularly bad because they went ahead and released Jaunty with this bug. Then, the fixed kernel introduced a new bug that caused FS corruption on systems with Intel disk controllers.

ehci_hcd module causes I/O errors in USB 2.0 devices https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/88746 (2007)

ath5k driver connection and performance issues https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/461419 (2009)

[karmic regression] all network apps / browsers suffer from multi-second delays by default due to IPv6 DNS lookups https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/417757

I've been hit by all of these except the first one, and I was only saved from that because I stumbled on the bug report before upgrading to Jaunty.

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