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Re: iPad-only is the new desktop Linux

#12
This seems to be making the point that using an iPad is a 'badge of pride' because it's 'challenging'; trying to make the point that Linux is also difficult to use. Except, it's not the same type of challenge at all.

Linux usability can actually be pretty good, but it's dependent on familiarity, the desktop environment, the distro, the choice of installed applications; everything is customizable, and making most of that customization requires a willingness to research, understand, tinker.

An iPad is locked down to the point of hurting usability, the 'share' system is vastly inferior to Android's 'intents', split-screen mode just recently arrived, mouse support is intentionally missing. Trying to use it as a desktop replacement is borderline masochism. Frankly, it's nothing like desktop Linux, even if you're in an unfamiliar desktop environment.

Re: iPad-only is the new desktop Linux

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Except iPads don't run Linux, and iOS is ridiculously locked down and has very few usable apps for typical desktop needs (Android also has this issue, so I'm not shitting on iOS only).

Jailbroken iPad has all the "Linux" essentials you might need. Combined with a Bluetooth keyboard and SSH to a remote server, you've got a decent dev machine.

Sorry, but imho a cheap Dell would be more comfortable to work on than some weird ipad/bluetooth keyboard/whatnot combo.

And decent only starts on the far other side of that spectrum.

Re: iPad-only is the new desktop Linux

#14
iOS and Android works fairly well if all you are doing is working on one App at a time. Considering something simple as copying a password from a password manager to paste on target app is already very awkward process on Android...

Something I can do in less than 5 seconds on desktop takes 30 seconds in those, so I'm not sure how they can be compared to Linux desktop.

Re: iPad-only is the new desktop Linux

#15
For me the article boils down to this:

> No, hear me out. See, Linux users don’t care how much easier we say it is in our non-Linux worlds. Sure, they say it’s because of open access and free as in scotch ale and yadda yadda yadda, but really? They like the challenge.

This statement is completely unsubstanicated. If you don't agree with it, don't bother reading the article, it all henges on it.

Re: iPad-only is the new desktop Linux

#16
Its fun just to try and list the cultural clashes in the article, like the linked author tried to include as many as possible.

My school age kids use ipads as their primary computer at school and that carries over into home use. No matter what the linked article's author experienced as a professional journalist as "normal", to today's kids the ipad will be the new "normal". Maybe they'll be a human interest article in a decade about trying to use old fashioned desktops and laptops to do real work, instead of professional tablets that everyone uses.

Much like linux is useless on the desktop because no matter how many desktops its deployed and used upon, if it can't run Excel2013 then the small segment of the population that uses that software will never shut up about it being useless to everyone because its useless to them until their itch is scratched. Just like a skyscraper without parking for every employee is obviously useless because over 90% of the countries population drives cars to work. You just can't argue with special snowflakes who refuse to acknowledge they're special snowflakes.

There is a side dish that when I got started with computers in 1981 the UI was not user friendly and almost everyone was a noob, and now we have no noobs left but the UIs are all weird and exclusively noob focused. Its a stereotype that any discussion of "ease of use" WRT computers isn't a discussion about actual use, its a discussion about fads and styles in UI design and 99% of everything has been tried, heavily promoted, and discarded in the past. Therefore its unsurprising that today's standard sucks because UIs have always sucked and always will. That makes all this "easier" "harder" stuff just nonsense. Merely different ways to do things. In the linked article he doesn't like which directory in dropbox Byword links to, blah blah who cares. For all past and present and eternity it'll always be possible to complain about UIs and its completely content free.

Re: iPad-only is the new desktop Linux

#17
I think it depends heavily on what you're using your computer for.

One of my parents owns both an iPad and a laptop, and the laptop barely sees any use anymore. He's got a keyboard case, and, while I hate that keyboard, he's perfectly happy with it. Email and browsing are about equally good on iPad as they are on a computer. Browsing might even be better what with the no flash. It plays video games & runs Netflix, and that's about all that matters. I don't think he cares two beans about multitasking. The iOS office apps may or may not be good enough; the last time he cared about document editing was pre-retirement so I don't know that he's really put them to the test.

Challenging? Nah. I'm pretty sure he settled into it because, for him, it's easier.

Re: iPad-only is the new desktop Linux

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For me the article boils down to this: > No, hear me out. See, Linux users don’t care how much easier we say it is in our non-Linux worlds. Sure, they say it’s because of open access and free as in scotch ale and yadda yadda yadda, but really? They like the challenge. This statement is completely unsubstanicated. If you don't agree with it, don't bother reading the article, it all henges on it.

The article is not actually about desktop Linux. The author tries to draw an analogy, it does not actually matter much whether it resonates.

The article boils down to: using an iPad for your day to day tasks is possible but so restrictive you might wonder why people would try to. Much like many people try (tried) to use Linux for day to day tasks and found it is (was) too restrictive.

I myself can't argue. My current main os is NixOS and I've found it usable but as a newbie much more restrictive than for example Ubuntu or Arch. Would I recommend it? Would you like to use the next generation of more perfect operating systems? Only if you like a bit of a challenge..

Re: iPad-only is the new desktop Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jailbroken iPad has all the "Linux" essentials you might need. Combined with a Bluetooth keyboard and SSH to a remote server, you've got a decent dev machine.

Sorry, but imho a cheap Dell would be more comfortable to work on than some weird ipad/bluetooth keyboard/whatnot combo. And decent only starts on the far other side of that spectrum.

I think it would be interesting to see the amount of productivity people lose using their iPads.

In my experience my iPad means I am using my laptop a lot less, but it's taking me more time to do the same things I did on the laptop on my iPad.

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