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The association between cannabis use and suicidality among men and women

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Re: The association between cannabis use and suicidality among men and women

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Post by cpncrunch »

chatmasta wrote: post #8
cpncrunch wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for doing this research, and for posting this...it's a very important field right now, considering that many countries/states are legalising Cannabis. I live in Canada and cannabis is in the process of being legalised. I haven't read the full-text, but how well have you figured out the causation? The study seems to show that in women suicidal ideation causes cannabis use. In men it seems to be the other way ar…

It's fucking nuts that you need to pay $3k for anyone to be able to read your work.

Perhaps you should start up a peer-reviewed journal that doesn't charge anything. I wonder how you'd afford to pay your employees.

Re: The association between cannabis use and suicidality among men and women

#12

Post by the_duke »

cpncrunch wrote: post #5
nashke wrote: post #2

I am one of the authors, AMA

Thanks for doing this research, and for posting this...it's a very important field right now, considering that many countries/states are legalising Cannabis. I live in Canada and cannabis is in the process of being legalised. I haven't read the full-text, but how well have you figured out the causation? The study seems to show that in women suicidal ideation causes cannabis use. In men it seems to be the other way ar…

There have to be peer relatively respecatable peer reviewed OA journals that cost considerably less then 3k, though, I'd think.

Re: The association between cannabis use and suicidality among men and women

#14

Post by chatmasta »

cpncrunch wrote: post #11
chatmasta wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fucking nuts that you need to pay $3k for anyone to be able to read your work.

Perhaps you should start up a peer-reviewed journal that doesn't charge anything. I wonder how you'd afford to pay your employees.

Perhaps academic authors should boycott elitist journals and publish their research on their own websites. They could even ask their peers to review it before publishing.

Re: The association between cannabis use and suicidality among men and women

#15

Post by cairo_x »

cpncrunch wrote: post #11
chatmasta wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fucking nuts that you need to pay $3k for anyone to be able to read your work.

Perhaps you should start up a peer-reviewed journal that doesn't charge anything. I wonder how you'd afford to pay your employees.

They don't pay their employees though -- if you count the people who generate the actual content as employees. Nor do they pay the academics who do the actual peer review.

They pay editorial staff and tech dudes. I guess a metric shit-ton.

Re: The association between cannabis use and suicidality among men and women

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Post by savanaly »

the_duke wrote: post #10
nashke wrote: post #2

I am one of the authors, AMA

The 'conclusion' hints at or indicates the assumption that cannabis use is the cause for increased suicide incidence. What's the basis for this? Depression being the cause for increased cannabis is intuitively a more likely assumption. With these topics, I think it is very hard to get good data. It might very well be that men do not admit to being depressed before starting to smoke up regularily. Can anyone comment o…

>The 'conclusion' hints at or indicates the assumption that cannabis use is the cause for increased suicide incidence.

I read the abstract and conclusions closely and I didn't think they were implying that, although this is the sort of result that is classically misreported along the lines you are articulating.

The conclusion is simply that there is an association between cannabis use and suicide ideation (in other words, when you first have thoughts of suicide) among men (let's just leave the women out of it for now). So not only do the authors not claim that cannabis causes suicide, they don't even claim cannabis is associated with suicide, they claim it's associated with suicide ideation. That no link was made between suicide incidence and cannabis is explicitly stated. ("No significant association was found for the bidirectional association between cannabis use and suicide attempts in either sex.")

From that one paragraph conclusion they seem to focus more on the differences this study turned up between the sexes than on some fantastic new conclusion along the lines of "pot leads to suicide".

Re: The association between cannabis use and suicidality among men and women

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Post by cpncrunch »

chatmasta wrote: post #14
cpncrunch wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you should start up a peer-reviewed journal that doesn't charge anything. I wonder how you'd afford to pay your employees.

Perhaps academic authors should boycott elitist journals and publish their research on their own websites. They could even ask their peers to review it before publishing.

Yes, I've actually thought of that, as I recently paid a $600 open access fee myself. Perhaps something along the lines of wikipedia would work well. Wiki journal?

A lot of the time, wikipedia editors can do better peer review than the actual journals (although it's against wikipedia rules to do such original research). I can't count the number of times I've seen absolute shit science in the supposedly top journals.

Re: The association between cannabis use and suicidality among men and women

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Post by lmmlzxx »

Shank wrote: post #9
chatmasta wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fucking nuts that you need to pay $3k for anyone to be able to read your work.

Most public libraries and other institutions pay for database access and journal access. You can usually go in and request access to science material at no cost to you. The barrier to entry is still quite high, unfortunately.

This applies to only a small fraction of people worldwide.
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