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Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distribution site arrested

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Re: Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distribution site arrested

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The cat and mouse game continues. Remember The Pirate Bay? Why don't studios have their own similar sites where they allow free torrents of some shows and offer paid torrents. As a busy person, I'd much rather pay for something which guarantees: - high quality - no subtitles - no buffering issues - no viruses - click and play

You mean like netflix/hulu/hbo now/AIV (+ prime)

Generally hits good enough on all categories.

of course torrents still win in content. Especially newer movies.

I want to watch a newer movie.

Is it on netflix/hulu/hbo/prime? Nope

Is it on AIV paid? Yes.

How much? 20 dollars.

That's too much for a movie I probably will only watch once. Any other options? At best a rental on AIV for a few bucks. That's pretty borderline. I'd pay that to see a movie I really want to see, but for one I'm taking a risk on it's a bit much.

I'd pay more for Netflix if it meant they get those new movies quicker. People seem to lose their shit when they announce a 1 dollar price increase though. Ridiculous, but there you go.

vs torrents I can just go into a webapp and pick out a movie. It gets downloaded and organized for me. I can watch it on my PC, my TV, via streaming, copy it to my iPad. Whatever. Easy, reasonably quick, free. Downside is it's illegal and immoral. I avoid pirating any content that I can easily access (I have some older shows that never made it past DVD, and are hard to find in general), because there really is no justification. When I was a student and content was mostly in expensive blu rays, I absolutely pirated.

Re: Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distribution site arrested

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As an American, I wish we would stop doing this. It isn't effective, and it's a waste of time/resources that could be better spent elsewhere. I'd even argue that its counter-effective to progress. Instead of punishing people for making more efficient systems, we should reward them, and try to integrate.

Well, Americans have been saying that about drug war, civil forfeiture, surveillance and many others things for a long long time.

Except that civil forfeiture is extremely profitable enterprise [1].

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-...

Re: Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distribution site arrested

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ArsTechnica seems to have the most detailed and best linked (PDF + DoJ press release) article as of now:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/07/kickasstorrents-a...

Somewhat more/complementary details seem to be available on: https://torrentfreak.com/feds-seize-kickasstorrents-domains-... — e.g. regarding methods:

[...] The complaint further reveals that the feds posed as an advertiser, which revealed a bank account associated with the site.

It also shows that Apple handed over personal details of Vaulin after the investigator cross-referenced an IP-address used for an iTunes transaction with an IP-address that was used to login to KAT’s Facebook account. [...]

Some aspects which seem interesting to me, from what is reported:

• that apparently KAT owner tried to shield off DMCA takedown requests (which I'd see as trying to affirm being legal);

• that according to the articles he seems to not have used Tor (or fumbled in it).

(Assuming no parallel construction and that he's actually the guy, etc. etc.)

EDIT: I couldn't really find any Polish sources — suppose because it's middle of the night here... (the single article — http://www.dobreprogramy.pl/Zalozyciel-Kickass-Torrents-zatr... — seems to be written based on the above English-language ones)

Re: Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distribution site arrested

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ArsTechnica seems to have the most detailed and best linked (PDF + DoJ press release) article as of now: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/07/kickasstorrents-a... Somewhat more/complementary details seem to be available on: https://torrentfreak.com/feds-seize-kickasstorrents-domains-... — e.g. regarding methods: [...] The complaint further reveals that the feds posed as an advertiser, which revealed a bank acco…

Thanks for posting this, OP's link is broken for people with adblockers.

Re: Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distribution site arrested

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post #13
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Americans have been saying that about drug war, civil forfeiture, surveillance and many others things for a long long time.

Except that civil forfeiture is extremely profitable enterprise [1]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-...

So is the drug war. It all depends on where you're standing.

Re: Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distribution site arrested

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I find it interesting that a Polish man was charged by US laws, rather than under Polish law.

I think he opened himself to US law by hosting the servers at one point in the US. Regardless, it is rather fascinating that his first visit to the US could potentially be from extradition.

Re: Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distribution site arrested

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It seems like a lot of the most well-known pseudo-legal BitTorrent "groups" (PopcornTime, YIFY, ISOHunt, now Kat) turn out to be one-man shops, and as such, just completely dissolve as soon as their owner crosses paths with law enforcement. In some cases, these services are integral enough to the "scene" to be brought back by others. But other times, everything just stops for a while.

This seems like a bus-factor problem. Why does it keep happening? Why aren't these sites being run by multi-national teams that can survive a loss like this?

Even The Pirate Bay is "just" Swedish, so a sufficiently-motivated Swedish Government could shut TPB down. Meanwhile, there's no single country that could shut down e.g. Wikipedia.

Re: Alleged founder of world’s largest BitTorrent distribution site arrested

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If you think about it, torrent sites are like a modern day robinhood. They take profits from the rich and bring enjoyment to the poor.

i don't remember robin hood lining his pockets with truckloads of money he made off of the dodgy ads that all these torrent sites serve. and if its not ads, then it's the donations.

I suspect robin hood would have had the support of the people that he helped, so donations is appropriate.

I'd say where the analog breaks down is the media companies aren't exactly extorting the people, nor price gouging.

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