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The H-Bombs in Turkey

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Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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While still concerning, they really buried a key detail: "About two thousand U.S. military personnel remain stationed there."

How long will they hold in case of an ally betrayal? In the unlikely event of having crazy Islamist dictator with imperial ambitions as the God Emperor of Turkey?

Aren't most/all airplanes, missiles, etc... operated by the Turkish military from the U.S.?

Doesn't the U.S. have the capability to disable them remotely?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of interest, at what time is the PAL (presumably a code?) entered in one of these bombs? Is it done in flight or before the weapons are loaded?

I don't know to be honest. To speculate the B61 is a dumb bomb. And most photo's of the casing show no plug/contact point for electronics. I'm assuming at take off. When the neutron reflector's distance is set, and the barometric pressure for denotation height is calibrated.

I wonder if arming of a bomb like that has a time limit - so that it safes itself if not "used" or explicitly deactivated within a particular time period.

Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of interest, at what time is the PAL (presumably a code?) entered in one of these bombs? Is it done in flight or before the weapons are loaded?

I don't know to be honest. To speculate the B61 is a dumb bomb. And most photo's of the casing show no plug/contact point for electronics. I'm assuming at take off. When the neutron reflector's distance is set, and the barometric pressure for denotation height is calibrated.

Yeah, my guess is the bomb is armed and the yield and other parameters set just before the aircraft is set to taxi out for takeoff. Some part of it must be done on the ground, because no US nuclear weapon can be armed by a single person.

Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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post #4

While still concerning, they really buried a key detail: "About two thousand U.S. military personnel remain stationed there."

Turkey has the largest standing army in the region. 600K or so. Those 2000 troops wouldn't last long enough to get the weapons out.

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>it does not have any American or Turkish aircraft equipped to deliver them. This is a lie. B-61's mount on to any NATO MIL-STD-8591 hard point. Any F-15, F-18 can mount and fire B61's without any modification.

My take was the author meant no aircraft with the range to drop them on Russian targets. The New Yorker is pretty obsessive about fact-checking, so I think calling a statement like this a lie is an uncharitable reading.

If that is what the author meant, that is what the author should have said. "Equipped to deliver" pretty clearly means no aircraft that can load the bomb.

At any rate, southern Russia is easily within range of Incirlik.

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it does not have any American or Turkish aircraft equipped to deliver them. This is a lie. B-61's mount on to any NATO MIL-STD-8591 hard point. Any F-15, F-18 can mount and fire B61's without any modification.

Out of interest, at what time is the PAL (presumably a code?) entered in one of these bombs? Is it done in flight or before the weapons are loaded?

'0000'.

Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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Command and Control [1] is highly recommended, and discusses this very situation, along with the always/never constraints on nuclear weapons.

Nuclear Weapons should Always go off when used legitimately, and Never go off when not authorized.

Before reading this I had never really thought through the idea of fail-safe, especially that it has an implicit opposite: fail-deadly.

1. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C5R7F8G/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?...

Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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post #4

While still concerning, they really buried a key detail: "About two thousand U.S. military personnel remain stationed there."

Turkey has the largest standing army in the region. 600K or so. Those 2000 troops wouldn't last long enough to get the weapons out.

And Incirlik is in an urban area of 1.7 million people.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it does not have any American or Turkish aircraft equipped to deliver them. This is a lie. B-61's mount on to any NATO MIL-STD-8591 hard point. Any F-15, F-18 can mount and fire B61's without any modification.

My take was the author meant no aircraft with the range to drop them on Russian targets. The New Yorker is pretty obsessive about fact-checking, so I think calling a statement like this a lie is an uncharitable reading.

>My take was the author meant no aircraft with the range to drop them on Russian targets.

This is likely true. It's about ~5Mm from Incirlik to Russia (across the Black).

Edit 1: s/Baltic/Black/g

Re: The H-Bombs in Turkey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My take was the author meant no aircraft with the range to drop them on Russian targets. The New Yorker is pretty obsessive about fact-checking, so I think calling a statement like this a lie is an uncharitable reading.

If that is what the author meant, that is what the author should have said. "Equipped to deliver" pretty clearly means no aircraft that can load the bomb. At any rate, southern Russia is easily within range of Incirlik.

You can load the bomb onto a Toyota Hilux; it doesn't mean it's equipped to deliver it.
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