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Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by foota » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:06 AM UTC

ams6110 wrote: post #10

themartorana wrote: post #8

Is anyone surprised she's suicidal? Locked in solitary confinement, for a minimum of 8 years (probably a lot more), at the hands of an obviously vindictive government - I imagine that by now I would have tried to kill myself too.

Transgenders have an alarmingly high suicide rate even without those factors piled on.

Hopefully not too off topic, but I believe the preferred nomenclature is more along the lines of "People who are transgender" (though I could be wrong and would appreciate someone saying so)

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by DasIch » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:06 AM UTC

rdl wrote: post #7

When you write a letter to someone facing 20+ years more in prison, who has just tried to kill herself, what do you say? I'm kind of at a loss for words -- "hope you get well soon?" "hope you are out of the hospital and back to your, uh, home soon?" https://www.chelseamanning.org/learn-more/write-to-chelsea-m...

How about not touching on that at all? Surely she hears more than enough on that already and is confronted with it when she's not reading about it also.

Something that has nothing to do with her and her current situation, something that allows her to escape her situation at least in her mind for a little bit, would probably be welcome. If I were in that situation, I believe I would appreciate that anyway.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by rtpg » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:16 AM UTC

themartorana wrote: post #8

Is anyone surprised she's suicidal? Locked in solitary confinement, for a minimum of 8 years (probably a lot more), at the hands of an obviously vindictive government - I imagine that by now I would have tried to kill myself too.

It's still deplorable to me that you can force someone into solitary confinement for anything over a couple of days.

Well, a lot of the mechanisms of prison seem pretty counterproductive... 23 hours in the same room.

My understanding is that members of the military sign away a bunch of their rights but I don't understand how throwing somebody in jail for 20 years is a thing we came up with.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by rhizome » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:16 AM UTC

themartorana wrote: post #8

Is anyone surprised she's suicidal? Locked in solitary confinement, for a minimum of 8 years (probably a lot more), at the hands of an obviously vindictive government - I imagine that by now I would have tried to kill myself too.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people she has to deal with 24/7 are self-professed "patriot" types who would not be troubled to lay plenty of indifference and insults upon her.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by grizzles » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:17 AM UTC

This really puts the whole Hillary Clinton email scandal into perspective, huh?

The message seems to be that if you leak classified data to the American people you get a big punishment, whereas if you leak classified data carelessly (Clinton) or for your girlfriend's book (Petraeus) the most you can expect is a slap on the wrist. That's f ed up.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by rhizome » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:18 AM UTC

Swizec wrote: post #2

This part seems a little bit ironic "Though she would have preferred to keep her private information private". Is that not why she's come into the public eye? For releasing private information that some people would have preferred to keep private? This isn't a comment on whether her leak was the right thing to do or not, just the whole "Treat others like you want others to treat you".

You're getting plenty of feedback here, but you might want to read up on "category error" as to your sense of the privacy concepts you use.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:19 AM UTC

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Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by alsetmusic » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:20 AM UTC

lacksrigor7373 wrote: post #5

Swizec wrote: post #2

This part seems a little bit ironic "Though she would have preferred to keep her private information private". Is that not why she's come into the public eye? For releasing private information that some people would have preferred to keep private? This isn't a comment on whether her leak was the right thing to do or not, just the whole "Treat others like you want others to treat you".

Ask yourself what value to society do Chelsea create with her leak? Then ask, what value does broadcasting her health status everywhere provide society? Hopefully this will help inform you of the differences in these separate acts, since it seems to have blown right by you at light speed.

> Ask yourself what value to society do Chelsea create with her leak? > Then ask, what value does broadcasting her health status everywhere provide society?

(Not who you replied to, but...)

I believe Chelsea Manning deserves privacy for an issue such as this, but also hope that the situation will (at least) make more people contemplate the extreme nature of solitary. I would be undone fifty times by now if I were isolated by force.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by sliverstorm » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:22 AM UTC

grizzles wrote: post #15

This really puts the whole Hillary Clinton email scandal into perspective, huh? The message seems to be that if you leak classified data to the American people you get a big punishment, whereas if you leak classified data carelessly (Clinton) or for your girlfriend's book (Petraeus) the most you can expect is a slap on the wrist. That's f ed up.

I'm not a fan of her, but no one has showed Clinton leaked it, to my knowledge. She emailed it insecurely, but to people with appropriate clearance.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by sparky_z » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:22 AM UTC

grizzles wrote: post #15

This really puts the whole Hillary Clinton email scandal into perspective, huh? The message seems to be that if you leak classified data to the American people you get a big punishment, whereas if you leak classified data carelessly (Clinton) or for your girlfriend's book (Petraeus) the most you can expect is a slap on the wrist. That's f ed up.

To be fair, it's pretty standard for crimes to have differing punishments depending on whether they were accidental or purposeful. Sometimes they're even considered different crimes entirely (i.e., murder vs manslaughter).

(I'm not defending Chelsea's treatment here. I just think it's odd that grizzles has singled out this particular aspect of the situation as worthy of outrage.)