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Comcast says it’s “not feasible” to comply with FCC cable box rules

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Re: Comcast says it’s “not feasible” to comply with FCC cable box rules

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I can understand Comcast's point. They're moving away from their QAM-based system, to an IP-based one, and one of the inherent assumptions of the design of the latter is that they own and control the network end-points that provide the video to the display device. Building a nation-wide multi-channel video distribution network is no small feat, and takes some non-trivial engineering work.

Then along comes the FCC, and says they don't get to own and control the network end-points anymore, thereby throwing a massive wrench into the works, and messing up the assumptions upon which their network is architected. Large complex systems don't just magically change overnight because of a governmental decree, despite how much legislators and administrators might seem to wish so. It would take a great many man-hours to rebuild their current system to comply with the update.

How many? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? More? I have no idea, but I do know it ain't gonna be a small number, never mind the monetary costs. And that's just the capital investment to get compliant. Ongoing support is also going to costly. And you can be confident that Comcast would then pass those costs on to their customers in the form of higher subscription fees, and high bring-your-own-device fees (or a corresponding use-our-device discount if the FCC prohibits the former).

Re: Comcast says it’s “not feasible” to comply with FCC cable box rules

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Guessing that Comcast is willfully ignoring how cable TV works in Germany and presumably much of the rest of Europe. We have smartcard readers (and cards) that we slide into the appropriate slot on our TVs that do the decoding. I paid 4 EUR/mo. for mine because I knew I was moving, but could have bought it outright for less than 80 EUR. The optional external receiver instead of the smartcard reader was 100 EUR. Then…

Comcast already supports cablecard. They have to by law. The FCC proposed regulations go further than cable card.

Cablecard has been eliminated as a requirement by "Satellite Television Extension and Localism Act Reauthorization" (STELAR). It was eliminated because it had failed to increase competition in the set top box market, while increasing cost and energy consumption.

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Comcast already supports cablecard. They have to by law. The FCC proposed regulations go further than cable card.

Cablecard has been eliminated as a requirement by "Satellite Television Extension and Localism Act Reauthorization" (STELAR). It was eliminated because it had failed to increase competition in the set top box market, while increasing cost and energy consumption.

Ah makes sense. I know Verizon still supported it last year. Do you know if cable companies are ending their support?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cablecard has been eliminated as a requirement by "Satellite Television Extension and Localism Act Reauthorization" (STELAR). It was eliminated because it had failed to increase competition in the set top box market, while increasing cost and energy consumption.

Ah makes sense. I know Verizon still supported it last year. Do you know if cable companies are ending their support?

I think they are going to wait to see how this rule pans out before deploying their next generation of set-top boxes, which are unlikely to contain cable cards.

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I can understand Comcast's point. They're moving away from their QAM-based system, to an IP-based one, and one of the inherent assumptions of the design of the latter is that they own and control the network end-points that provide the video to the display device. Building a nation-wide multi-channel video distribution network is no small feat, and takes some non-trivial engineering work. Then along comes the FCC, an…

Hmmm... We seem to have done just fine with standards like C, C++, TCP, SQL, HTML, HTML5, CANVAS, OpenGL, WebGL, Ethernet, MPEG, etc.

Somehow it seems like this is a problem of "will" rather than "way", don't you think?

Comcast wants to own and control the interface with the customer. It makes them the powerful gatekeepers so they can extract as much rent as possible. It's like cell phone carriers before the iPhone. You had to go "kiss the ring" and beg for a chance to release a crappy Java applet. The carrier set the price ($15) and took most of the money. They also gave you non-optional feedback on all aspects of your app.

None of the cable/satellite providers are innovating. There is far more money in charging $$ for a set-top box and choice is so limited there is no pressure to improve. Again, it's like ATT and the phone network. You could rent one kind of phone and you'll like it. Breaking their stranglehold on the phone network (another government mandate, despite the billions ATT spent building their network) enabled an explosion in choice and enabled regular people to get on the internet with modems. We literally wouldn't be posting on HN right now without the government forcing ATT to open their network.

The FCC is trying to create a free market where none exists. The cable companies have been fighting against CableCard and these digital standards for over a decade, and very successfully too.

Edit: You can down vote if you want, I used to work at a CLEC and the ILEC's IT department purposefully made things obtuse and pretended to be incompetent so they could throw up their hands and say "It's impossible!". As soon as we signed a separate commercial agreement (so SBC/ATT could claim the market was open and no regulation was necessary) suddenly their IT people were able to get projects done and roadblocks magically disappeared. Funny how that works.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comcast already supports cablecard. They have to by law. The FCC proposed regulations go further than cable card.

Cablecard has been eliminated as a requirement by "Satellite Television Extension and Localism Act Reauthorization" (STELAR). It was eliminated because it had failed to increase competition in the set top box market, while increasing cost and energy consumption.

I'll be a little irked if I have to stop using my HD Homerun tuner and go back to the atrocious Comcast set-top boxes.

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Actually, I'm willing to believe that a large cable monopoly's IT department is so incompetent and poorly run, that implementing this successfully is not likely for them.

That's not a valid excuse though. A landlord ordered legally to fix a broken heater cannot avoid their duty by complaining "But I'm so BAD at working with heaters! They're confusing!"

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Guessing that Comcast is willfully ignoring how cable TV works in Germany and presumably much of the rest of Europe. We have smartcard readers (and cards) that we slide into the appropriate slot on our TVs that do the decoding. I paid 4 EUR/mo. for mine because I knew I was moving, but could have bought it outright for less than 80 EUR. The optional external receiver instead of the smartcard reader was 100 EUR. Then…

Comcast already supports cablecard. They have to by law. The FCC proposed regulations go further than cable card.

Comcast did a deal with Tivo to give them the interface that my Tivo uses. I have a multicard, 4 channels at once of recording without the settop box. My HDMI TV has multiple inputs for DVD/Bluray players, RaspPi with playback or whatever device I want.

So other than the On-demand stuff it's all doable with today's technology. They just don't want to make changes to their billing system to track it. Which is pretty surprising since they have a really nice service architecture bus in production that makes it easy to make these kinds of changes

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I can understand Comcast's point. They're moving away from their QAM-based system, to an IP-based one, and one of the inherent assumptions of the design of the latter is that they own and control the network end-points that provide the video to the display device. Building a nation-wide multi-channel video distribution network is no small feat, and takes some non-trivial engineering work. Then along comes the FCC, an…

I'm not understanding your comment. A QAM tuner provides the modulating/decoding of the RF signal over coax. If they are moving away from this then fine but why does that design have "inherent assumptions" that "they own and control the network end-points that provide the video to the display device."? So they can continue to charge people $10 a month in perpetuity? That's about the only reason for that assumption. I certainly can't think of a technical one.

Its hard to read a comment like this and find it any way credible:

"Comcast argued that "running our network code directly on third-party devices without our application [is] not feasible."

Running our "network code"? What? What does even mean? Thats like saying the "system is down." It's the kind of crap that customer service reps say to people when they have no clue why something isn't functioning.

The cable companies have zero credibility at this point. This is about continuing to gouge people that it that have no other choice in getting bits delivered into their home in 2016.

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