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Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Re: Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Post by Aelinsaar »

nanna wrote: post #5

Without disrespecting his memory, we should not forget that Wiesel lent serious support to the occupation and, what is effectively, the ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem. Haaretz touches on this: "In April 2010, he took out advertisements in four major newspapers, criticizing the Obama administration for pressuring the Netanyahu government to halt construction in Jewish neighborhoods located across the Green Line in…

You know, if Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse someone, they wouldn't still be around. Do you not understand how bombs and fire work? You may not like what their restraint looks like, you may argue for much more, but the level of hyperbole you're engaging in is pointless.

Re: Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Post by labster »

golergka wrote: post #9
nanna wrote: post #5

Without disrespecting his memory, we should not forget that Wiesel lent serious support to the occupation and, what is effectively, the ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem. Haaretz touches on this: "In April 2010, he took out advertisements in four major newspapers, criticizing the Obama administration for pressuring the Netanyahu government to halt construction in Jewish neighborhoods located across the Green Line in…

Wow. Building homes is one hell of an ethnic cleansing operation.

You laugh, but the Bay Area is like one level of NIMBYism away from Palestine.

Re: Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Post by Zafira »

nanna wrote: post #5

Without disrespecting his memory, we should not forget that Wiesel lent serious support to the occupation and, what is effectively, the ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem. Haaretz touches on this: "In April 2010, he took out advertisements in four major newspapers, criticizing the Obama administration for pressuring the Netanyahu government to halt construction in Jewish neighborhoods located across the Green Line in…

I think what bothers me the most about all of this is how criticism of the national policy of the state of Israel is reworked by certain opponents as anti-Semitic attacks.

So often it feels like proponents of questionable Israeli policies seem to use the Holocaust, Israel's fight for survival through the endless wars from its creation through the 1970s to justify an aggressive and hostile stance.

Why is this?

Re: Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Post by littletimmy »

Aelinsaar wrote: post #11
nanna wrote: post #5

Without disrespecting his memory, we should not forget that Wiesel lent serious support to the occupation and, what is effectively, the ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem. Haaretz touches on this: "In April 2010, he took out advertisements in four major newspapers, criticizing the Obama administration for pressuring the Netanyahu government to halt construction in Jewish neighborhoods located across the Green Line in…

You know, if Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse someone, they wouldn't still be around. Do you not understand how bombs and fire work? You may not like what their restraint looks like, you may argue for much more, but the level of hyperbole you're engaging in is pointless.

Would it sound more reasonable if we say "Ethnically cleanse at the rate that the international community allows"?

Re: Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Post by littletimmy »

EazyC wrote: post #8
relk4 wrote: post #2

A sad day. Although much of what he wrote was controversial, he remains my favorite author I was assigned to read in three separate occasions in high school.

What was the controversy about?

Some allege that parts of Night are too implausible and historically inaccurate. But then again, I think he wrote it as a novel rather than a historical document.

Re: Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Post by Zafira »

EazyC wrote: post #8
relk4 wrote: post #2

A sad day. Although much of what he wrote was controversial, he remains my favorite author I was assigned to read in three separate occasions in high school.

What was the controversy about?

I think Wiesel has done much good and his writing and very public campaigns to insure that the horrors of the Holocaust are never forgotten are what he shall be remember for. Still, he is a man and a man is nothing, if fallible. In his memoirs, "All Rivers Run to the Sea", he exhibits a certain hostility when his writings are questioned; he quotes from his essay "A Plea for the Survivors":

"You who have not experienced their anguish, who do not speak their language and do not mourn their dead, think before you offend them, before you betray them.… Wait until the last survivor, the last witness, has joined the long procession of silent shadows whose judgment one day will resound and shake the earth and its Creator."

Re: Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Post by Cyph0n »

bobdo wrote: post #7
nanna wrote: post #5

Without disrespecting his memory, we should not forget that Wiesel lent serious support to the occupation and, what is effectively, the ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem. Haaretz touches on this: "In April 2010, he took out advertisements in four major newspapers, criticizing the Obama administration for pressuring the Netanyahu government to halt construction in Jewish neighborhoods located across the Green Line in…

If Israel is ethnically cleansing Jerusalem they are doing a pretty poor job considering that the Muslim population has gone from 54,963 in 1967 to 281,000 in 2011. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusal...

Oh, so ethnic cleansing, genocide, widespread discrimination, and expulsion must involve the population going down!

See http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext-printer...

Re: Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Post by Cyph0n »

golergka wrote: post #9
nanna wrote: post #5

Without disrespecting his memory, we should not forget that Wiesel lent serious support to the occupation and, what is effectively, the ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem. Haaretz touches on this: "In April 2010, he took out advertisements in four major newspapers, criticizing the Obama administration for pressuring the Netanyahu government to halt construction in Jewish neighborhoods located across the Green Line in…

Wow. Building homes is one hell of an ethnic cleansing operation.

Building homes on illegal lands, forced expulsion and demolition of Palestinian homes, carpet bombing of a prison city, discrimination against Palestinian Arabs at all levels of society - I think that's quite close to the definition of state-sponsored terrorism, and in some cases, genocide.

Re: Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Post by golergka »

Cyph0n wrote: post #18
golergka wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. Building homes is one hell of an ethnic cleansing operation.

Building homes on illegal lands, forced expulsion and demolition of Palestinian homes, carpet bombing of a prison city, discrimination against Palestinian Arabs at all levels of society - I think that's quite close to the definition of state-sponsored terrorism, and in some cases, genocide.

Well, these things are not what was mentioned in the comment above, and for the most part, they aren't true either.

Re: Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and Holocaust Survivor, Dies at 87

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Post by DanBC »

golergka wrote: post #9
nanna wrote: post #5

Without disrespecting his memory, we should not forget that Wiesel lent serious support to the occupation and, what is effectively, the ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem. Haaretz touches on this: "In April 2010, he took out advertisements in four major newspapers, criticizing the Obama administration for pressuring the Netanyahu government to halt construction in Jewish neighborhoods located across the Green Line in…

Wow. Building homes is one hell of an ethnic cleansing operation.

I believe the UN special rapporteur: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-palestinian-israel-un-idUKB...
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