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Apple in Exploratory Talks to Acquire Jay Z’s Tidal Music Service

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Re: Apple in Exploratory Talks to Acquire Jay Z’s Tidal Music Service

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Unpopular music service to acquire even less popular music service. With those forces combined they will be unstoppable! /s

Isn't Apple Music already the #2 most popular streaming music service behind Spotify? I'd hardly call 15 million paid subscribers unpopular.

How many of those 15 million are people who forgot to turn off auto-renew on their free trial?

Re: Apple in Exploratory Talks to Acquire Jay Z’s Tidal Music Service

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Makes sense if it's for the exclusive content opportunities. I remember seeing a report when Kanye made his new album a Tidal exclusive and the number of users they got from that deal alone was staggering. The problem is that a lot of those users will cancel after their free trial but if they keep coming back for exclusives they'll a) want to stick around b) have no free trial so will pay for a month anyway and might…

> high quality audio (...) once they bring out the iPhone with lightning headphones

... and you've lost me. I mean, the 3.5 mm jack solution is used by audiophiles for connecting headphones costing several iPhones to equipment costing dozens of iPhones. If it was in any way a problem for audio fidelity, these people would've gone for a new solution long ago.

Re: Apple in Exploratory Talks to Acquire Jay Z’s Tidal Music Service

#13

Makes sense if it's for the exclusive content opportunities. I remember seeing a report when Kanye made his new album a Tidal exclusive and the number of users they got from that deal alone was staggering. The problem is that a lot of those users will cancel after their free trial but if they keep coming back for exclusives they'll a) want to stick around b) have no free trial so will pay for a month anyway and might…

> high quality audio (...) once they bring out the iPhone with lightning headphones ... and you've lost me. I mean, the 3.5 mm jack solution is used by audiophiles for connecting headphones costing several iPhones to equipment costing dozens of iPhones. If it was in any way a problem for audio fidelity, these people would've gone for a new solution long ago.

I didn't say it was a problem but one of the theories for why they would make this change is audio quality. I believe it would allow you to build pre-amps and things into headphones.

Re: Apple in Exploratory Talks to Acquire Jay Z’s Tidal Music Service

#14
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Unpopular music service to acquire even less popular music service. With those forces combined they will be unstoppable! /s

In one year they've managed to acquire half the number of paid subscribers Spotify has - and with a pretty buggy product. That's pretty impressive.

Re: Apple in Exploratory Talks to Acquire Jay Z’s Tidal Music Service

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I remember when Gruber was telling us that Apple was not buying Beats for the streaming service and its associated contracts. The truth is Apple acquired Beats almost solely for this asset. This move makes totally sense if you consider that Apple is trying to control the streaming market the same way it controlled the download to own one. I'm sure the labels will do whatever they can to avoid it. Spotify is a (big) t…

>> I remember when Gruber was telling us that Apple was not buying Beats for the streaming service and its associated contracts.

He really said that? I thought everyone at the time was pretty much agreed they were buying it for the streaming service, not the headphones.

>> "That also explains why Apple is not approving the last Spotify app update. It's war."

They're not approving it because supposedly Spotify built in their own payment system which is a clear violation of App Store guidelines. Could be wrong but that's what I read.

Re: Apple in Exploratory Talks to Acquire Jay Z’s Tidal Music Service

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Makes sense if it's for the exclusive content opportunities. I remember seeing a report when Kanye made his new album a Tidal exclusive and the number of users they got from that deal alone was staggering. The problem is that a lot of those users will cancel after their free trial but if they keep coming back for exclusives they'll a) want to stick around b) have no free trial so will pay for a month anyway and might…

> high quality audio (...) once they bring out the iPhone with lightning headphones ... and you've lost me. I mean, the 3.5 mm jack solution is used by audiophiles for connecting headphones costing several iPhones to equipment costing dozens of iPhones. If it was in any way a problem for audio fidelity, these people would've gone for a new solution long ago.

Audiophilia has nothing to do with actual sound quality.

Re: Apple in Exploratory Talks to Acquire Jay Z’s Tidal Music Service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> high quality audio (...) once they bring out the iPhone with lightning headphones ... and you've lost me. I mean, the 3.5 mm jack solution is used by audiophiles for connecting headphones costing several iPhones to equipment costing dozens of iPhones. If it was in any way a problem for audio fidelity, these people would've gone for a new solution long ago.

I didn't say it was a problem but one of the theories for why they would make this change is audio quality. I believe it would allow you to build pre-amps and things into headphones.

Yes, you would need at least a D/A converter and a preamp in the headphone. But why would you want to do this? Good headphone DACs/amps are relatively big and heavy and they run on batteries (yet another thing to charge). The Fiio E5 is a small headphone amp (no DAC), and it's still the size of an iPod Shuffle.

Re: Apple in Exploratory Talks to Acquire Jay Z’s Tidal Music Service

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post #9

I remember when Gruber was telling us that Apple was not buying Beats for the streaming service and its associated contracts. The truth is Apple acquired Beats almost solely for this asset. This move makes totally sense if you consider that Apple is trying to control the streaming market the same way it controlled the download to own one. I'm sure the labels will do whatever they can to avoid it. Spotify is a (big) t…

>> I remember when Gruber was telling us that Apple was not buying Beats for the streaming service and its associated contracts. He really said that? I thought everyone at the time was pretty much agreed they were buying it for the streaming service, not the headphones. >> "That also explains why Apple is not approving the last Spotify app update. It's war." They're not approving it because supposedly Spotify built i…

>> "He really said that?"

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/05/08/beats

"The problem with this theory is that those licenses (to my understanding) aren’t transferable in the event of an acquisition. Music label executives may be dumb, but they’re not that dumb."

>> "They're not approving it because supposedly Spotify built in their own payment system which is a clear violation of App Store guidelines. Could be wrong but that's what I read."

Maybe but I think it was a strategy. Spotify wanted to grab attention. The origin of the issue is really the fact that Apple is not releasing the 30% tax for music streaming services. This is unsustainable in the music business where there is close to 0 margin. The labels take most of the revenue.

Re: Apple in Exploratory Talks to Acquire Jay Z’s Tidal Music Service

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Unpopular music service to acquire even less popular music service. With those forces combined they will be unstoppable! /s

Isn't Apple Music already the #2 most popular streaming music service behind Spotify? I'd hardly call 15 million paid subscribers unpopular.

It also is way better than Spotify for me. It's everything I wanted out of a music service.

Spotify was never going to have me as a subscriber but Apple Music was so much better (for me) that it was a no-brainer.

But then I always preferred Pandora over Spotify anyhow (different use cases I know, but still).

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