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Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by ellisv »

seeingfurther wrote: post #6
rayiner wrote: post #2

> It proposes investments in computer science and engineering education . . . and attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. These sound good in theory, but in effect they're an industry-specific labor subsidy. When the government "invests" in STEM education, what happens is that the companies that need to hire engineers save money both as a result of reduced training costs…

Isn't that a good thing? What would be some negative consequences?

It favors companies that hire engineers (vs. those that don't) and may lower engineer wages. Whether or not these are negative depend on your view.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by thecolorblue »

MrZongle2 wrote: post #8

I realize that Clinton -- like any candidate -- has a platoon of advisers for a wide variety of topics, and it is these people (rather than the candidate) who comes up with the proposed policy. But I can't help but immediately think that this was the candidate who disregarded the sound advice of the IT and security professionals in the State Department and had an entirely different bunch of people set up a faulty alt…

> ...faulty alternative email service...

Do you have a source for this? It was my impression that nothing was out of the ordinary about her email server, and the rules around it were vague.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by MrZongle2 »

thecolorblue wrote: post #13
MrZongle2 wrote: post #8

I realize that Clinton -- like any candidate -- has a platoon of advisers for a wide variety of topics, and it is these people (rather than the candidate) who comes up with the proposed policy. But I can't help but immediately think that this was the candidate who disregarded the sound advice of the IT and security professionals in the State Department and had an entirely different bunch of people set up a faulty alt…

> ...faulty alternative email service... Do you have a source for this? It was my impression that nothing was out of the ordinary about her email server, and the rules around it were vague.

Well, here's one for starters: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7006105d422740f0b4b8675c90f9a...

Edit: here's a second: http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/clinton-e-mail-...

I was under the impression that the rules around it were not vague, but as Secretary of State she was essentially given an exemption (or people chose to look the other way) because nobody wanted to rock the boat.

The issue of classified email (whether marked or not) on the server is another one entirely. And the rules are crystal clear in that regard.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by Moshe_Silnorin »

jordanb wrote: post #9

> attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. HAH! I knew this was going to be in there. Of course it's a gigantic bailout to the universities. STEM grad programs are already full of foreign nationals trying to get a slot in the advanced degree H1-B track. This would absolutely turbocharge that: buy a degree from whatever fourth rate American university for $xxx,xxx and value…

America has an amazing ability to attract the most high-quality immigrants, and an even more amazing ability to screw this up. Just give a green card to whomever can get a sufficiently high SAT score. This would start an insanely powerful brain drain in America's favour.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by GrumpyYoungMan »

rayiner wrote: post #2

> It proposes investments in computer science and engineering education . . . and attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. These sound good in theory, but in effect they're an industry-specific labor subsidy. When the government "invests" in STEM education, what happens is that the companies that need to hire engineers save money both as a result of reduced training costs…

So? An increase in citizens trained in a highly intellectually demanding field and encouraging immigration of some of the best and brightest of other nations makes it more than worthwhile to pursue.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by Moshe_Silnorin »

simonh wrote: post #3

Interesting. I expect a series of highly detailed policy announcements on complex issues from Hillary over the coming months. I'm guessing she's realised Trump will be completely out of his depth on anything like this and unable to respond effectively.

If you expect highly detailed policy announcements to matter, you have a very poor model of the electorate.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by tremon »

ellisv wrote: post #11
seeingfurther wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that a good thing? What would be some negative consequences?

It favors companies that hire engineers (vs. those that don't) and may lower engineer wages. Whether or not these are negative depend on your view.

What's the negative view on "it favors companies that hire engineers over those that don't"?

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by hasenj »

Trump said something to the same effect in his campaign launching book (Crippled America) where he lamented how the US makes it easy for illegal immigrants but difficult for honest people who studied and graduated in American universities but then have to go back to their home countries because the US doesn't want them to stay.
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