The Data/Human Goal Gap • Hacker News Board

Re: The Data/Human Goal Gap

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Post by douche » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 1:37 PM UTC

rajanchandi wrote: post #7

One solution to this problem is making "flipped classroom" a mandatory at all the schools.i.e. students go thru lectures/videos at home and do homework collaboratively in the Classroom. The Real world is more collaborative compared to our schools. Flipped Classroom is proven to increase scores as well. Question: What efforts are you willing to put in making this happen?

> The Real world is more collaborative compared to our schools

People keep saying this. I must be living in a different shard of the real world than those people. Collaboration is nice, but at the end of the day, the work has to actually be done, not just talked about.

Re: The Data/Human Goal Gap

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Post by jeffbr13 » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 2:41 PM UTC

douche wrote: post #11

rajanchandi wrote: post #7

One solution to this problem is making "flipped classroom" a mandatory at all the schools.i.e. students go thru lectures/videos at home and do homework collaboratively in the Classroom. The Real world is more collaborative compared to our schools. Flipped Classroom is proven to increase scores as well. Question: What efforts are you willing to put in making this happen?

> The Real world is more collaborative compared to our schools People keep saying this. I must be living in a different shard of the real world than those people. Collaboration is nice, but at the end of the day, the work has to actually be done, not just talked about.

Distinguishing between work requiring a heads-down approach and work that can be sped up by collaboration (shared understanding, parallelisable tasks) needs to be learned and school's a good a place to get started on that as any.

Re: The Data/Human Goal Gap

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Post by projektfu » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 1:29 PM UTC

gipp wrote: post #6

He's right, it _does_ already have a name. A few, in fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)

I think Goodhart's law is closest to what he is getting at. There is also the aphorism of Deming, that the most important figures for managing your business are unknown and unknowable. We want to measure successful learning. Instead, we measure test scores. Whatever figures actually measure successful learning are unknown and likely unknowable. "Management", in this case the parents, teachers and administration, are focused on test scores and other marks of achievement. College admissions departments have their own measures that may include all of these things. But, in the end, hitting high values for these targets may not be reaching the actual goal. It's a good way of looking at an age-old problem.