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Anders Ericsson on deliberate practice

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Re: Anders Ericsson on deliberate practice

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I recommend this book. Just an excerpt of the notes I took:

Ineffective practice is usually just repetition, expecting improvement without focusing on correcting problems

Purposeful Practice - has well-defined, specific goals - Is focused (giving practice your full attention) - Involves feedback (success or failure) - Requires getting out of one’s comfort zone (is not easy, pushing barriers)

Harnessing Adaptability - Practice and training can actually change the brain - London taxi drivers that master the standard training develop larger hippocampus - Regular training leads to changes in the parts of the brain that are challenged by the training - Younger brains are more adaptable than adult brains, training can have larger effects - Development in one area may come at the price of regression in another - Trained abilities fade after lack of use

Mental Representations - Blindfold chess illustrates the importance of pattern memory - Experienced chess players can remember chess positions from a real game, but are not skilled at remembering random arrangements of pieces - they remember patterns, familiar arrangements of several pieces - Short-term memory can be extended by referring to familiar patterns or chunks - Much of deliberate practice involves developing ever more efficient mental representations for the activity under practice - Familiar patterns are internalized so that they can be automatically recognized and fluidly give rise to the appropriate actions - Knowledge of a domain has to be organized and accessible in a way that can be used in expert performance - Planning separates novice performance from expert performance - Experts tend to have detailed planning processes that can be refined - Experts have higher quality mental representations that help guide them in performance, and can help provide them with feedback to adjust their practice - Physical activities are mental too

Re: Anders Ericsson on deliberate practice

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Deliberate practice has received an almost obsessive following by the HN community - I feel like I see articles about this at least once a week.

What I fail to see are any recommendations of how to apply this to software development. In my own personal investigations, things like programming competitions have shown not to translate well to professional software development (outside of maybe the search or AI algo developers at Google). Practice problems like Eulers and Programming Pearls are a bit contrived and limited, so I'm not sure where else to turn. Do others wonder the same thing?

Working on side projects may be practice, but not necessarily deliberate, and many side projects may not be addressing our individual weaknesses.

Re: Anders Ericsson on deliberate practice

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Deliberate practice has received an almost obsessive following by the HN community - I feel like I see articles about this at least once a week. What I fail to see are any recommendations of how to apply this to software development. In my own personal investigations, things like programming competitions have shown not to translate well to professional software development (outside of maybe the search or AI algo deve…

For me, it's a combination of side projects and pushing the boundaries on work projects (where budget and time exist). I tend to structure my side projects so that I'm covering ground that's new and uncomfortable, say learning a new language (Python, Haskell), a new paradigm (functional), or a new platform (Linux, OS X). If you're just doing more of what you already know how to do, the utility is limited. It's doing focused work on new areas that stretches you.

Re: Anders Ericsson on deliberate practice

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Deliberate practice has received an almost obsessive following by the HN community - I feel like I see articles about this at least once a week. What I fail to see are any recommendations of how to apply this to software development. In my own personal investigations, things like programming competitions have shown not to translate well to professional software development (outside of maybe the search or AI algo deve…

What works for me is downloading the source code of projects that are generally considered to be examples of great code. I then go through it, stopping at critical junctures asking myself, What would I do next? Then comparing that to whatever the author of the program did. If I'm "wrong", I attempt to figure out why and adjust accordingly.

This was directly inspired by the technique Benjamin Franklin used to become a great writer.[0]

[0]http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6220/ Search for the word spectator in the link for the relevant paragraph.

Re: Anders Ericsson on deliberate practice

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So, practice is necessary but not sufficient. It cannot compensate for lack of talent. We don't know why some people are talented and some aren't. We can only recognise it in certain fields (e.g. athletics, music). However, and switching to personal speculation: although people know different things and are interested in different things, there is only one kind of talent, is my guess.

Did we read the same article? > When I spoke with Ericsson by phone in May, he told me that people who think practice can only get you so far aren't talking about the same kind of practice as he is. > As for whether genetic differences - say, in cognitive or physical ability - account for variations in achievement, Ericsson is skeptical. The whole article, Ericsson sticks to "deliberate practice" (as defined by him)…

You're correct: I misread the piece.

>he claims that they conflate "practice" with "deliberate practice" and therefore didn't debunk him.

This seems unfalsifiable since we don't (and presumably he doesn't) have theories about either talent or intentions which might distinguish the two cases.

Myself I practiced the piano very deliberately in my late twenties and it didn't lead to improvement. In fact it lead to RSI. However, in overcoming the RSI I learnt about what talent means (inexplicitly, I'm afraid, so I can't explain it yet). Hence my claim that it is singular across all disciplines. This includes purely intellectual skill which, following Michael Polanyi, can be thought of as a connoisseurship of ideas.

Re: Anders Ericsson on deliberate practice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did we read the same article? > When I spoke with Ericsson by phone in May, he told me that people who think practice can only get you so far aren't talking about the same kind of practice as he is. > As for whether genetic differences - say, in cognitive or physical ability - account for variations in achievement, Ericsson is skeptical. The whole article, Ericsson sticks to "deliberate practice" (as defined by him)…

You're correct: I misread the piece. >he claims that they conflate "practice" with "deliberate practice" and therefore didn't debunk him. This seems unfalsifiable since we don't (and presumably he doesn't) have theories about either talent or intentions which might distinguish the two cases. Myself I practiced the piano very deliberately in my late twenties and it didn't lead to improvement. In fact it lead to RSI. H…

> Myself I practiced the piano very deliberately in my late twenties and it didn't lead to improvement.

You had a teacher who provided a lesson plan and guidance, until such time as you could follow the plan on your own and self-correct mistakes? As another element, were you constantly pushed to do things that were just out of your reach? His claim is that 10,000 hours of practice/learning structured in that way would make you an expert piano player. Somehow, I suspect that if you hit 90% of his requirements, he'd "no true Scotsman" you and say that it wasn't "real" deliberate practice.

Personally, I'm dubious about Ericsson's claims too. Some people have more limitations than others do, either physical or mental. Plasticity has its limits.

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