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Image Dithering: Eleven Algorithms and Source Code

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Re: Image Dithering: Eleven Algorithms and Source Code

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Post by xiphias »

mynegation wrote: post #8
startling wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gross.

I understand your sentiment. I did not mean to glorify objectification of women with this story. Just something mildly funny that happened almost two decades ago, in a country without a strong tradition of feminism, to a 17-year old me who did not know any better then.

How can an virtual object (a photo of a woman seen on a monitor) be objectified? The model meant that photo to be used as an object (looked at). If she wanted people to understand her personality more, she would have just written a book.

Re: Image Dithering: Eleven Algorithms and Source Code

#13

Post by spiderfarmer »

xiphias wrote: post #11
mynegation wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your sentiment. I did not mean to glorify objectification of women with this story. Just something mildly funny that happened almost two decades ago, in a country without a strong tradition of feminism, to a 17-year old me who did not know any better then.

How can an virtual object (a photo of a woman seen on a monitor) be objectified? The model meant that photo to be used as an object (looked at). If she wanted people to understand her personality more, she would have just written a book.

Exactly. It's strange that in a country where lots of girls, by choice, pose near nude for Instagram selfies, a couple of programmers feel the need to excuse themselves for looking at a picture of a professional model. This brand of feminism forgets that men have dicks that they want use, and that women generally like the idea that they have the power to create some bulge.

Re: Image Dithering: Eleven Algorithms and Source Code

#15

Post by startling »

xiphias wrote: post #11
mynegation wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your sentiment. I did not mean to glorify objectification of women with this story. Just something mildly funny that happened almost two decades ago, in a country without a strong tradition of feminism, to a 17-year old me who did not know any better then.

How can an virtual object (a photo of a woman seen on a monitor) be objectified? The model meant that photo to be used as an object (looked at). If she wanted people to understand her personality more, she would have just written a book.

These are the kinds of things, specifically, that gross me out about this story:

(from http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment)

* In geek contexts, they are usually a way for heterosexual men to bond over their common attraction to women. This is othering for anyone who is not a heterosexual man, including, obviously, women, and contributes to their invisibility in the field. This sensation of exclusion is very visceral when in a small minority, as women can be in geek settings.

* There is a long tradition of sexual images, suggestions and approaches being used to shame, scare, harrass or brutalise women. This is common enough that most women will have had personal experience of it. Therefore many women are unable to sensibly assume good faith on the part of unknown men seeking to make a situation sexual and feel mentally uncomfortable at best and physically intimidated often.

* While in many areas this restriction is loosening, women are stigmatised as well as celebrated for being too sexual. This traps women into a double bind when responding to sexualized environments, because even by getting the joke they may reveal themselves as too sexual.

Keep in mind the commenter received extra points for this.

Re: Image Dithering: Eleven Algorithms and Source Code

#17

Post by derefr »

startling wrote: post #15
xiphias wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can an virtual object (a photo of a woman seen on a monitor) be objectified? The model meant that photo to be used as an object (looked at). If she wanted people to understand her personality more, she would have just written a book.

These are the kinds of things, specifically, that gross me out about this story: (from http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment ) * In geek contexts, they are usually a way for heterosexual men to bond over their common attraction to women. This is othering for anyone who is not a heterosexual man, including, obviously, women, and contributes to their invisibility in the field. This sensation of excl…

> This is othering for anyone who is not a heterosexual man

Except, you know, for bisexual men and women, lesbians, heterosexual trans-men, and so on. A lot of people could theoretically bond with one-another over a shared attraction to a given gender. (Not making any point to the spirit of your argument; just poking at the letter of it in hope that you refine it.)

Re: Image Dithering: Eleven Algorithms and Source Code

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Post by harryf »

A while back got curious about the approach used by apps like Manga Camera ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.supersof... ) to turn photos into Manga style "drawings".

Turns out there's a paper on it "MANGAWALL: GENERATING MANGA PAGES FOR REAL-TIME APPLICATIONS" ( https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/MangaWall-Generating-m... ) and an implementation - https://github.com/zippon/MangaWall - that implementation uses ordered dithering ( https://github.com/zippon/MangaWall/blob/master/src/MangaEng... ) among other things to help produce a pencil drawn like effect.

Anyway just saying ;) To me at least, pretty fascinating ...

Re: Image Dithering: Eleven Algorithms and Source Code

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Post by startling »

derefr wrote: post #17
startling wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are the kinds of things, specifically, that gross me out about this story: (from http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment ) * In geek contexts, they are usually a way for heterosexual men to bond over their common attraction to women. This is othering for anyone who is not a heterosexual man, including, obviously, women, and contributes to their invisibility in the field. This sensation of excl…

> This is othering for anyone who is not a heterosexual man Except, you know, for bisexual men and women, lesbians, heterosexual trans-men, and so on. A lot of people could theoretically bond with one-another over a shared attraction to a given gender. (Not making any point to the spirit of your argument; just poking at the letter of it in hope that you refine it.)

> A lot of people could theoretically bond with one-another over a shared attraction to a given gender.

OK? That's not what's happening here.

Re: Image Dithering: Eleven Algorithms and Source Code

#20

Post by derefr »

startling wrote: post #19
derefr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is othering for anyone who is not a heterosexual man Except, you know, for bisexual men and women, lesbians, heterosexual trans-men, and so on. A lot of people could theoretically bond with one-another over a shared attraction to a given gender. (Not making any point to the spirit of your argument; just poking at the letter of it in hope that you refine it.)

> A lot of people could theoretically bond with one-another over a shared attraction to a given gender. OK? That's not what's happening here.

The point you were making wasn't about what was or wasn't happening here, though; it was about what such statements "usually [serve to do] ... in geek contexts." Geek contexts involve a lot of the types of people I mentioned. (For example, according to a recent survey of LessWrong members, there are actually more transwomen than ciswomen in that community.)
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