More than "reinventing the web", I would worry about finding strategies to keep the web open against the strong pull towards (semi) walled gardens that is coming from Facebook and others.
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#12More than "reinventing the web", I would worry about finding strategies to keep the web open against the strong pull towards (semi) walled gardens that is coming from Facebook and others.
I'm afraid this can only be done by introducing new laws.
The network effect is just too strong, and most people don't care enough about privacy and openness to switch to different networks.
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#13It's simple: make computers secure enough that connecting one to the net won't imply being hacked within a few days (minutes in some cases). Re-enable mail servers to be run from home connections, make them dead simple to set up and bullet proof. And so on. You can only wind this clock back step-by-step, a reboot will break too much that we have come to depend on.
It all went wrong at NAT, we were supposed to be peers, not producers and consumers.
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#14I think the way the web has been conceived once and then evolved around a relatively small set of core concepts is amazing. I find it hard to imagine though that after 20 years of evolution we could go back to a point where we apply another round of centralized planning how it actually should look like. The existence of centralized services is the result of demand and evolution, not of false planning in the beginning…
One way to think about this is that these guys are going to try, they'll come up with stuff that no one uses and it will be some nerd somewhere that comes up with the next iteration of the web. I.e., it won't be Berners-Lee that does it, it will be the next Berners-Lee somewhere.
Satoshi (whether one person, or a group) did it with Bitcoin. The concept is now ingrained into every architect's toolbox. While Bitcoin itself won't revolutionize the web, it is a huge step forward in how to think of decentralization in an environment where it is too costly (technically, financially) to effectively decentralize.
Perhaps the next step will be combining said decentralization with anonymity.
Then in 50 years, maybe we'll all have our own anonymity-preserving "cloud boxes" that follow us wherever we live, just like routers do now (save the anonymity and storage).
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#15More than "reinventing the web", I would worry about finding strategies to keep the web open against the strong pull towards (semi) walled gardens that is coming from Facebook and others.
I'm afraid this can only be done by introducing new laws. The network effect is just too strong, and most people don't care enough about privacy and openness to switch to different networks.
Or by providing a more attractive option.
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#16The end of the article said it best. It isn't an infrastructure problem. It's a society problem; people want to use centralized services, ie. Twitter, Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, etc etc. Muggles don't give two fucks about privacy - idiots aren't usually political dissidents until their food supply gets low or their Snapchat gets filtered by the Great Firewall.
Exactly, no technology will change human nature. Take all of history as an example. Technologies that don't fit our goals are not used and the goals of governments (and their sponsors) always prevale.
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#17More than "reinventing the web", I would worry about finding strategies to keep the web open against the strong pull towards (semi) walled gardens that is coming from Facebook and others.
I'm afraid this can only be done by introducing new laws. The network effect is just too strong, and most people don't care enough about privacy and openness to switch to different networks.
You can't code away their wealth:
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that the problem isn't paying per se, but rather just the inconvenience. After all people already pay plenty for their web connection. Something like Flattr might be the solution.
As a flattr user from both sides (site owner and site visitor), I can't say I was entirely happy with it. Although it's well implemented. I find it difficult that they constrained the concept to payoff = $monthly_amount/$number_of_clicks. From both sides I would prefer to be able to set and see prices, not arbitrary equal results for all the sites I click. That had kept me from clicking in most cases, because I would…
Potential to integrate the amount of micropayment as a star rating - think a combined "donate & rate" action after reading / watching. Let people contribute from 0.01 to 5.00 units of currency, in easy increments, that also indicate how much they liked it. Automatically bill and aggregate monthly.
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#19I think the way the web has been conceived once and then evolved around a relatively small set of core concepts is amazing. I find it hard to imagine though that after 20 years of evolution we could go back to a point where we apply another round of centralized planning how it actually should look like. The existence of centralized services is the result of demand and evolution, not of false planning in the beginning…
One way to think about this is that these guys are going to try, they'll come up with stuff that no one uses and it will be some nerd somewhere that comes up with the next iteration of the web. I.e., it won't be Berners-Lee that does it, it will be the next Berners-Lee somewhere. Satoshi (whether one person, or a group) did it with Bitcoin. The concept is now ingrained into every architect's toolbox. While Bitcoin it…
Yes, that's what I would favor. Not only decentralized web, but also dezentralized thinking and tinkering.
Maybe it's because the emphasis of the article is put on Berners-Lee and thereby creating a notion of authority, or because the group meeting and church-like environment somehow looks and sounds very much like design by committee, but the article didn't really convey that path to me.
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#20More than "reinventing the web", I would worry about finding strategies to keep the web open against the strong pull towards (semi) walled gardens that is coming from Facebook and others.
I'm afraid this can only be done by introducing new laws. The network effect is just too strong, and most people don't care enough about privacy and openness to switch to different networks.
People do care about privacy and openness, not just in the way technologists expect them to. Using Google for mail over some random company or running your own mail server is reasonable for the threats against privacy most people face. Communicating with your friends on Facebook is "open" compared to asking them to buy a specific phone, run their own servers or install software. If anything it's developers don't care about privacy and openness. They are the ones running all these companies that take advantage of open technology not (or even prevent it to) keeping up with the demands of users.