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Re: FBI wants access to browser history without a warrant in terrorism, spy cases

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Post by jwally » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 5:37 PM UTC

techthroway443 wrote: post #4

Wow whoever came up with the whole 'in the name of terrorism' is a goddamn genius. Pretty much a free card to get access to anything and everything for the sake of 'security'.

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

-- Rahm Emanuel

Re: FBI wants access to browser history without a warrant in terrorism, spy cases

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Post by 0xfeba » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 5:43 PM UTC

beamatronic wrote: post #9

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #5

Another reason to have an always-running VPN: they can't scrape what they can't see.

Where does your VPN terminate? At some point you are trusting somebody and assuming they can't be co-opted.

Ha! It's VPNs all the way down.

Re: FBI wants access to browser history without a warrant in terrorism, spy cases

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Post by excalibur » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 5:51 PM UTC

techthroway443 wrote: post #4

Wow whoever came up with the whole 'in the name of terrorism' is a goddamn genius. Pretty much a free card to get access to anything and everything for the sake of 'security'.

I don't remember the Bush Administration containing a lot of Rhodes Scholars. Of course the tactic predates them, but they don't know that.

Re: FBI wants access to browser history without a warrant in terrorism, spy cases

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Post by Jemmeh » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 5:58 PM UTC

pigpaws wrote: post #8

techthroway443 wrote: post #4

Wow whoever came up with the whole 'in the name of terrorism' is a goddamn genius. Pretty much a free card to get access to anything and everything for the sake of 'security'.

yeah, it scares the people on the right, while "... for the children." is whats used to scare the left. How ANY of us made it to adulthood is amazing.

Eh, I've heard "for the children" on left and right. "Gay parents are bad for the children" "Spanking is bad for the children"

Re: FBI wants access to browser history without a warrant in terrorism, spy cases

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Post by xviia » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 6:00 PM UTC

Hey that's fine, no need for a warrant. You just have to let the judge know that you think that person is a terrorist. And also what reasons led you to think they're a terrorist. Oh, and also what it is you're looking for, and why you think you'll find it.

So... basically a warrant.

Re: FBI wants access to browser history without a warrant in terrorism, spy cases

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Post by peteboyd » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC

techthroway443 wrote: post #4

Wow whoever came up with the whole 'in the name of terrorism' is a goddamn genius. Pretty much a free card to get access to anything and everything for the sake of 'security'.

Using "terrorism" as a threat is simply the new "communism" arguments from the 1950s-1980s. It's just that this new era has no foreseeable end in site.

There has been, and always will be, some type of terrorists. So its a perfect opportunity to use this threat (whether real in some cases and not in some cases) to get something approved that you could not normally.

At least with the end of of the USSR, most of the old Cold War communism scare tactics went away. Unfortunately, I don't really foresee and end in the use of terrorism threats to get funding for some new technology or bill to erode more rights.

Re: FBI wants access to browser history without a warrant in terrorism, spy cases

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Post by busterarm » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC

Is it just me or is the FBI a little out of control lately...

Re: FBI wants access to browser history without a warrant in terrorism, spy cases

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Post by bayofpigs » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC

Wasn't it reported that not a single warrant request was denied in 2015 for terrorism cases, yet even that is too much of a burden?

Re: FBI wants access to browser history without a warrant in terrorism, spy cases

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Post by busterarm » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 6:03 PM UTC

xviia wrote: post #15

Hey that's fine, no need for a warrant. You just have to let the judge know that you think that person is a terrorist. And also what reasons led you to think they're a terrorist. Oh, and also what it is you're looking for, and why you think you'll find it. So... basically a warrant.

Keep in mind that many judges are elected (even when they run unopposed).

I can see the attack ad now:

"Judge Soandso thinks that terrorists deserve a greater right to privacy than you do. Judge Soandso protects terrorists. Vote Judge Otherguy."

Kinda turns this into a rubber stamp.

Re: FBI wants access to browser history without a warrant in terrorism, spy cases

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Post by mrhistory » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 6:04 PM UTC

jwally wrote: post #11

techthroway443 wrote: post #4

Wow whoever came up with the whole 'in the name of terrorism' is a goddamn genius. Pretty much a free card to get access to anything and everything for the sake of 'security'.

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before. -- Rahm Emanuel

That's actually a misattribution. Rahm stole it from Winston Churchill.