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Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims

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Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims

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Post by hardwaresofton »

dragontamer wrote: post #6
arcticfox wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This story will certainly be more interesting once Tesla publishes the data from their side.

The story is already interesting because Tesla does this, and no other car company seems to. Tesla monitors your driving behavior so that they can save face and blame the driver if things go bad. I don't know of any other car company that does this. Those monitors are installed to protect the company image, not you. Its like you're buying a $100,000 piece of spyware. The car isn't your possession. Its sensor data bel…

This is true, and while I do despise the invasion of privacy, and everything that comes with owning a $100,000 piece of spyware, I do appreciate that barring conspiracy and a flagrant disregard for the law someone somewhere has some sort of technical data unlikely to be vulnerable to human memory/eyewitness accounts related to the crash.

Tesla has also convinced me that it is the type of company whose employees that would not seek to hide something data it correctly clearly supported. That's a completely unverifiable (and most likely incorrect) assertion on my part, and of course a result of brand-cultivation on theirs, but still some companies just can't claim that at all, and I think Tesla has a leg to stand on still.

Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims

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Post by mikeash »

dragontamer wrote: post #5

Unlike the previous accident, which the Tesla S literally doesn't have the sensors to see the above-ground trailer... this Model X crashed into the side of a building. I'd like to assume that the below-chassis sensors would have been able to pick that up. I'm more concerned about edge-cases like the Tesla S autonomous crash rather than cases like this one. My current assumption (pending evidence: we don't have any ye…

There's a "remote access" setting you can turn off. I believe that cuts off Tesla's access, not just your own. Of course, roughly nobody actually turns it off, because everybody prefers the convenience of having it on.

Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims

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Post by gist »

DigitalJack wrote: post #3

That is some terrible reporting. Who knows what will come of this accident, but the one referenced where the guy claims the car ran into a trailer on it's own was pretty well refuted by Tesla's black-box style monitoring. It raises the question of how to prove the trustworthiness of the event recording. I suppose an audit of their recording mechanisms could be enough, but it would be nice if the permanent recorder wa…

Crazy idea but what about a camera placed in a way that Tesla would capture footage of the brake and accelerator. Store up to X minutes/hours of that would come in helpful when combined with the other data they collect.

Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims

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Post by zerooneinfinity »

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #7

I'm very skeptical about it. A lot of accidents happen when people confuse the brakes and acceleration paddle. Furthermore, the person who had the accident claimed the break was unresponsive. This could further mean she confused the paddles and instead of breaking, she accelerated even more. I'm happy to hear, though, that the person was not heavily injured (she had burns on her arms but I don't think they are of the…

Where did you get your information on the danger of a crash with a tesla vs a regular car? They surpassed every car in collisions tests and the concerns about the battery going up in flames have been fixed since the car was established.

Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims

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Post by gist »

palakchokshi wrote: post #10

Tesla is famous for publishing the logs. The owner should be aware of this before making claims. It would have been prudent to keep this quiet till Tesla had a chance to respond. Now if the logs prove it was driver error Tesla will publish the logs and all this outrage would be over nothing. On the other hand if this was an error in Tesla's system it is in Tesla's best interest to be transparent and publish the logs…

I would suspect that if Tesla has a rock solid way to determine it was the drivers fault they will fight that till the ends of the earth. (Of course the same could happen even if not the case but that would be a conspiracy and probably less likely for practical reasons).

Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims

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Post by ubercore »

zerooneinfinity wrote: post #16
Matt3o12_ wrote: post #7

I'm very skeptical about it. A lot of accidents happen when people confuse the brakes and acceleration paddle. Furthermore, the person who had the accident claimed the break was unresponsive. This could further mean she confused the paddles and instead of breaking, she accelerated even more. I'm happy to hear, though, that the person was not heavily injured (she had burns on her arms but I don't think they are of the…

Where did you get your information on the danger of a crash with a tesla vs a regular car? They surpassed every car in collisions tests and the concerns about the battery going up in flames have been fixed since the car was established.

He said "fast cars like the Tesla". He didn't say they were especially dangerous.

Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims

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Post by mikeash »

zerooneinfinity wrote: post #16
Matt3o12_ wrote: post #7

I'm very skeptical about it. A lot of accidents happen when people confuse the brakes and acceleration paddle. Furthermore, the person who had the accident claimed the break was unresponsive. This could further mean she confused the paddles and instead of breaking, she accelerated even more. I'm happy to hear, though, that the person was not heavily injured (she had burns on her arms but I don't think they are of the…

Where did you get your information on the danger of a crash with a tesla vs a regular car? They surpassed every car in collisions tests and the concerns about the battery going up in flames have been fixed since the car was established.

Since they said "fast cars like the tesla" I assume they're referring to the acceleration. This sort of accident has much more potential for mayhem in a Model X P90DL that does 0-60 in 3.2 seconds as compared to, say, a Prius which will do 0-60 in 10 seconds.

Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims

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Post by arcticfox »

dragontamer wrote: post #6
arcticfox wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This story will certainly be more interesting once Tesla publishes the data from their side.

The story is already interesting because Tesla does this, and no other car company seems to. Tesla monitors your driving behavior so that they can save face and blame the driver if things go bad. I don't know of any other car company that does this. Those monitors are installed to protect the company image, not you. Its like you're buying a $100,000 piece of spyware. The car isn't your possession. Its sensor data bel…

True, and when Tesla doesn't release a report on an incident like this it will be telling.

As for the legitimacy of their recorders, I think it would be best to have it audited etc. That said, doing anything shady with it is a risk way bigger than any potential rewards, so I'm not that suspicious. It would be worse for their credibility than VW's emission cheating if they were falsifying their recordings and then using them to blame customers.

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