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Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by metaphor » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 8:57 PM UTC

There's a sense of irony seeing this post today when just last night, as my girlfriend and I were planning a weekend trip, I asked her what OS she was using (not being familiar with anything beyond Win7), to which she responded Win8. I then asked if she planned to upgrade to Win10, noting a post I had read about MS charging for the upgrade after a certain date, to which she responded no...then a minute or two later, poof, Win10 auto-update starts...literally in the middle of a reservation transaction. She swears she never explicitly consented to the upgrade.

It's one thing to read about and discuss the issues with Microsoft's overt push to migrate the world to Win10. It's admittedly a completely different experience to see it happen right before your eyes. Some time ago, I half-committed to never owning another computer with a Microsoft OS beyond Win7, reasoning that you just never know if a useful tool may pop up that's only available for Windows. After last night's surprise, that commitment became unwavering.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by Reese1379 » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 9:04 PM UTC

Have they considered upgrading to a Linux distro?

http://distrowatch.com/

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by 13of40 » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 9:05 PM UTC

curiousgal wrote: post #2

As per the post[0], the upgrade did not crash the computer BUT it did download 6Gb of data over satellite-internet which can be quite expensive. OP is having an AMA[1]. 0. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdon/i_live_i... 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4mirin/i_am_the_accid...

I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by aluhut » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 9:05 PM UTC

metaphor wrote: post #11

There's a sense of irony seeing this post today when just last night, as my girlfriend and I were planning a weekend trip, I asked her what OS she was using (not being familiar with anything beyond Win7), to which she responded Win8. I then asked if she planned to upgrade to Win10, noting a post I had read about MS charging for the upgrade after a certain date, to which she responded no...then a minute or two later,…

As someone who held onto Win2k until it hurt, I still thought it might be a good deal back then when they offered the free upgrade from 7 to 10. I thought: I'll just wait until the last moment so I can see what kind of bugs come up. While upgrading one of my laptops to 10 to play around with it and be prepared (which was a horrible experience on it's own).

Now with the moment coming closer and seeing what they do there, I'm pretty sure I'll play the win2k game one more time with my win7 and see what comes up next. Even if I'd have to pay for it.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by aluhut » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 9:10 PM UTC

13of40 wrote: post #13

curiousgal wrote: post #2

As per the post[0], the upgrade did not crash the computer BUT it did download 6Gb of data over satellite-internet which can be quite expensive. OP is having an AMA[1]. 0. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdon/i_live_i... 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4mirin/i_am_the_accid...

I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

"Everyone" meaning Apple fans. A special group on it's own. Known for paying more attention on the curves of the over expensive items they buy.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by newacct23 » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 9:11 PM UTC

13of40 wrote: post #13

curiousgal wrote: post #2

As per the post[0], the upgrade did not crash the computer BUT it did download 6Gb of data over satellite-internet which can be quite expensive. OP is having an AMA[1]. 0. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdon/i_live_i... 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4mirin/i_am_the_accid...

I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

I don't know about iOS but I have never had a forced upgrade with a mac laptop.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by LeoPanthera » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 9:12 PM UTC

13of40 wrote: post #13

curiousgal wrote: post #2

As per the post[0], the upgrade did not crash the computer BUT it did download 6Gb of data over satellite-internet which can be quite expensive. OP is having an AMA[1]. 0. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdon/i_live_i... 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4mirin/i_am_the_accid...

I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

The difference is, iOS asks. You can say no.

There are plenty of people being force-upgraded to 10 who never consented.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by x0n » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 9:12 PM UTC

For f*cks sake.

What about "Unpatched Windows PC shuts down N instances of x,y or z due to worm/virus/malware," which is a headline far more common than this completely ridiculous headline.

This is the technological equivalent of that one person pontificating and whining on about someone who once knew someone who died in a car crash BECAUSE they WERE wearing their seat belt.

Back before updates were forced, users have proven themselves too clueless to manage their own PCs. I don't care what people do as long as they are not connected to the internet. It's a shared resource.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by jeremymcanally » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 9:14 PM UTC

13of40 wrote: post #13

curiousgal wrote: post #2

As per the post[0], the upgrade did not crash the computer BUT it did download 6Gb of data over satellite-internet which can be quite expensive. OP is having an AMA[1]. 0. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdon/i_live_i... 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4mirin/i_am_the_accid...

I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

Yes, but now they're resorting to (IMO, at least) some dark patterns to essentially force or deceive users into an upgrade, which is not something Apple has done (yet, at least).

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by 13of40 » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 9:19 PM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #17

13of40 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

The difference is, iOS asks. You can say no. There are plenty of people being force-upgraded to 10 who never consented.

As far as I understand it, the auto upgrade happens when you have "give me recommended updates the same way I get important updates" checked in Windows Update. That isn't a default setting - you need to consent to it. Sure, maybe it was a year ago that you clicked it, and they never said a full OS version update was something that would land in that category, but it's not like they're pushing mandatory installs to everyone.