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HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by benologist »

oneweekwonder wrote: post #11

Ok they are down and I did read the announcement. How does this compare to c9.io?

I haven't had a chance to test HyperDev extensively cause it's a bit early and unstable, but c9 is like a full-fledged traditional IDE supporting anything you might program while a full Ubuntu virtual machine can install anything your project needs. C9 is open source and can be deployed on your own hardware.

HyperDev is specifically for web stuff and really slickly optimized around that handling deployment and everything.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by zxcvcxz »

Whenever I use these services they are pretty much never as responsive as a local editor, which is to be expected I guess, but I don't see how this could replace someones dev environment if they're a serious programmer. Big companies are going to want to have a lot more control over the backend and how things are wired together. People just learning will want to know how to actually make things work and not just have their hand held the whole time. For small freelance work this looks like it cold be good, but even then you have to learn the "HyperDev" work flow.

I just build and deploy everything in containers using Vim as my editor.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by GarethX »

marcuskaz wrote: post #8

Pretty cool, the idea looks similar to `now` by Zeit[1] Platform as a service has gone from click to get a server that needs configuring (AWS), to get a server already configured (Heroku), and now to write code and get URL without even needing to think about servers [1]: https://zeit.co/

HyperDev is a little different - it has the editor and isn't, or at least won't be, Node.js specific - there will be support for several programming languages.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by Yahivin »

oneweekwonder wrote: post #11

Ok they are down and I did read the announcement. How does this compare to c9.io?

It is similar in that both allow you to create applications using web based editors but HyperDev focuses much more on simplicity. We start with the idea that everyone will experience their development environment from a web based interface in the future and try to design one as simple and powerful as possible.

I'm not an expert c9 user, but from my experience with it it is much more about recreating existing development environments on the web.

With HyperDev you don't need to pick a server OS or configure your environment to match your local, it is already set up and deployed. You just need to write the code.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by Yahivin »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #13

Whenever I use these services they are pretty much never as responsive as a local editor, which is to be expected I guess, but I don't see how this could replace someones dev environment if they're a serious programmer. Big companies are going to want to have a lot more control over the backend and how things are wired together. People just learning will want to know how to actually make things work and not just have…

There isn't anything special about the HyperDev work flow. You can take any project that runs in HyperDev and `git push heroku master` and have it running on Heroku, or run it locally in a similar manner. HyperDev gives you an environment where you can update and deploy your code without having to set anything up to get started. You can collaborate with anyone by just sending them a link. There will always be a place for more custom environments, but we hope that HyperDev can serve 99% of developers and people who write code on computers.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by egeozcan »

Yahivin wrote: post #4

We're on the front page of some major sites so things are blowing up a little bit, but we should have it sorted out soon! Thanks for your patience! - A frantic HyperDev developer

You sent everyone an email[1] to participate in the discussion, and after this an over-capacity message[2] is a bit disappointing because it seems like you did expect the attention this time. On the other hand, I know that things can go wrong and I wish you a quick recovery and all the success.

[1]: http://i.imgur.com/ZazMSgt.png

[2]: http://i.imgur.com/NXyTHBB.png

edit: BTW I reloaded the page and the error disappeared but now the whole thing is unresponsive.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by GarethX »

jkarneges wrote: post #15
83457 wrote: post #9

"Oh, and it’s free."

This is concerning as free tools often don't make economic sense. Even more concerning is how casually Joel treats this issue in the Q&A section. He should know better.

To be fair, he does. Fog Creek has been going for over 15 years. Trello started with a similar model - only free use at the start as they figured out the best way to monetize, and now they are making $10M+ a year [1]

1 - http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2016/05/23/trello-get...

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