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The Estonian president wants a more digitally-integrated Europe

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Re: The Estonian president wants a more digitally-integrated Europe

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But this has nothing to do with credit cards and everything to do with the media industry. It's the exact same thing as those braindead DVD regions, or youtube restrictions in Germany, or netflix national catalogues.

No, it's not just about the media industry. He also can't buy Angry Birds to gift to his wife either. Again, because she would have an iTunes account from another country. And not because Rovio asked Apple to block such a sale.

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There is a campaign collecting signatures to end geoblocking within EU: https://endgeoblocking.eu/

I'd like to add that geoblocking also exists for physical products, as unlikely as it seems. I recently wanted to buy a new car in one EU country, with my company from another EU country paying for it(it's complicated, but suffice to say I live in one country and run a business in another) - only to be told that the manufacturer forbids all dealerships from selling new cars to someone without an address in the same country, even if they are paying cash. It's ridiculous. Fortunately later on I found out that many dealerships found out how to get around it, they just order the new car for themselves and sell it to you as a "second hand" car the day it arrives from factory - and the manufacturer cannot stop them from selling used cars to whoever they please.

Re: The Estonian president wants a more digitally-integrated Europe

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Great push for use of latest technologies, especially for government sector. I skimmed the article, and I do not see a mention of Estonia's e-voting. AFAIK, they are using (IMHO) flawed system, that they just believe it works (i.e. it was not breached). Estonia is very innovative in technological sector, but their e-voting system is a very risky play with their democracy.

"they are using (IMHO) flawed system" Care to elaborate on this?

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Great push for use of latest technologies, especially for government sector. I skimmed the article, and I do not see a mention of Estonia's e-voting. AFAIK, they are using (IMHO) flawed system, that they just believe it works (i.e. it was not breached). Estonia is very innovative in technological sector, but their e-voting system is a very risky play with their democracy.

"they are using (IMHO) flawed system" Care to elaborate on this?

The reviewers found terrible opsec, lack of an appropriate threat model, and demonstrated the feasibility attacks both on the vote counting server and on the voting client.

For more information you can watch the video I linked above or read a summary here: https://estoniaevoting.org/findings/summary/

Re: The Estonian president wants a more digitally-integrated Europe

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That sounds like a wonderful idea in general but I wonder how the legal issues would play out? If a company offers music for cheaper than would be legal in France in Estonia then a French citizen buys it for themselves would the company be liable under French law? How about a video game that involves shooting Nazis and which has a swastika in it but some German citizen buys it? I'm not sure how this could work without integrating European legal systems more.

Re: The Estonian president wants a more digitally-integrated Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t seen the video, by my feeling is that there’s no need to “review” any e-voting system, since the very concept is irredeemably flawed. If a person can in any way prove to a third party what they voted on, then the system is wide open to coercion of voters. If I can e-vote, then someone could force me at gunpoint to log in and e-vote to their liking instead of mine. If the system allows changing my vote later…

Oh nice, your technique could then be used succesfully against ANY voting. Right? Just watching the boots. Because keeping the poor or 30% of population watched at gunpoint 24/7 for 2 weeks in Europe so that nobody notices is perfectly easy.

Not exactly, because of ballot secrecy. Nobody, not even you, can prove what you voted (or didn't vote) with a paper ballot. This is the primary countermeasure against coercion and bribery of the electors.

With e-voting, providing ballot secrecy becomes much more complex because at the same time you need to prove that every voted is counted as it was cast.

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