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Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented wealth creators

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Re: Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented wealth creators

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TTIP is pushed by corporations , not individual rich people. A corporation will want that even if every one of its stockholders has a below-median wealth. More generally, organizations and people working for them will pursue their goals and these goals will be misaligned with the interests of the population at large even if nobody is involved whose net worth is particularly remarkable. If corporations are eliminated…

It is a finger pointing game today.

The rich say, it is not our fault, the corporations are doing that.

The corporations say: We have to do that, because the "market" is demanding higher interest rates!

So, who is to blame: "The Market"?? The politics that do, what the "market" wants, or the workers, that do not work 10% fast every year to secure the rising interest rates?

We have created a system, that allows everybody to say, that it is not his or her fault, it is just the system. The politics also say, it is not their fault, that they fostered the system, because the business professors told them so. The scientists are also not to blame, because it is the "nature" of the money ...

So it is just a law of nature?

No, by nature, societies are better of, when everybody has his share and even when differences exist, some kind of sense for justice is implanted in every human being.

Today's system of zero responsibility has the power to destroy every basis of human societies. Some day, the super-rich will realize that nobody else is left, that cleans their rooms or empties their trash-cans ... while living themselves behind big walls and barb-wire.

Re: Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented wealth creators

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How does the title: "We need to challenge the myth that the rich are specially-talented wealth creators" Become: "The very rich are unjust and dysfunctional" ?

It's a quote directly out of the byline. It is also, according to the author, the main thesis of his new book. Is there some rule on here that the title of the submission must correspond exactly to the title of the linked article?

Yes, from the "Guidelines" link at the bottom of HN:

Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented wealth creators

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remember 1917 in Russia, and how much the SovietUnion did for the world and its nations until 1991, by just removing the rich and concentrating power with government, led by proper ideology. Stalin got the country of illiterate peasants with ploughs and left it with 100% literacy, and the nukes.

Re: Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented wealth creators

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TTIP is pushed by corporations , not individual rich people. A corporation will want that even if every one of its stockholders has a below-median wealth. More generally, organizations and people working for them will pursue their goals and these goals will be misaligned with the interests of the population at large even if nobody is involved whose net worth is particularly remarkable. If corporations are eliminated…

Please. Corporations are run by people. People with agendas. And at the upper echelons it's agendas to make them selves as rich as possible. This idea that somehow people aren't responsible is absurd. Presumably you work for a corporation. Do you check your brain at the door when you go in and turn yourself over to Master Control at the start of each day? No, of course not. It's long past time to give up this fiction.

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Part of the reasoning here is that rentiers are not contributing to wealth creation and therefore their earnings on the rent are parasitic, therefore 'unjust and dysfuctional':

"Since it’s a payment for nothing that didn’t already exist, it’s a deadweight cost, and so not only unjust but also dysfunctional for the economy. "

The practice of renting exists as an option to owning. By renting, renters can engage in an activity with less up front capital to buying. For example, a contractor building a concrete sidewalk may choose to rent the mixer rather than owning it, so that it's cost is a cost of sale for the service, rather than a fixed cost that requires maintenance, storage and transportation. In that sense, the rental is a component of a larger transaction involving actual work being performed, and not parasitic. Moreover, by offering the mixer for rent, the 'rentier' reduces the total number of mixers that need to be produced, as it is a shared resource to contractors and they each do not need to own their own.

The same principle pertains to business. A fast growing startup may know they only need a space for a short time and will grow out of it. So it would make no sense to purchase the property they will inhabit for a short time. The rent they pay is an alternative to mortgage or cash, and it makes sense for their business purposes, which in theory do produce something of value.

In the example of home rental, making homes available for rent enables families to live in accommodations that they would not be able to purchase. These accommodations are not without cost to the owner: Taxes, utilities, maintenance, security and administration are all associated costs that rent payments offset. What the rentier provides in most cases, is a better quality of life than the family could have if they were forced to own the property they lived in.

Re: Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented wealth creators

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Does "unjust and dysfunctional" = "u r a fag" [DH0]?

http://paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Let me try and do a little better: I would argue that this kind of rhetoric is not significantly different from social movements in various countries of the 20th century, the end results were not quite as benign as its supporters anticipated: 'During the land reform, a significant numbers of landlords and well-to-do peasants were beaten to death at mass meetings organised by the Communist Party as land was taken from them and given to poorer peasants.[169] The Campaign to Suppress Counter-revolutionaries,[170] involved public executions that targeted mainly former Kuomintang officials, businessmen accused of "disturbing" the market, former employees of Western companies and intellectuals whose loyalty was suspect.[171] In 1976, the U.S. State department estimated as many as a million were killed in the land reform, and 800,000 killed in the counter-revolutionary campaign.[172]

Mao himself claimed that a total of 700,000 people were killed in attacks on "counter-revolutionaries" during the years 1950–52.[173] However, because there was a policy to select "at least one landlord, and usually several, in virtually every village for public execution",[174] the number of deaths range between 2 million[174][175] and 5 million.[176][177] In addition, at least 1.5 million people,[178] perhaps as many as 4 to 6 million,[179] were sent to "reform through labour" camps where many perished.[179] Mao played a personal role in organizing the mass repressions and established a system of execution quotas,[180] which were often exceeded.[170] He defended these killings as necessary for the securing of power.[181]' [typo edited] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

Re: Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented wealth creators

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What's the solution? I hear rants all the time, but no-one ever offers any concrete steps, or suggestions for new laws.

Perhaps wealth re-distribution?

Does not work, will create just another layer of very rich. Look at Russia after 1992.

Re: Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented wealth creators

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remember 1917 in Russia, and how much the SovietUnion did for the world and its nations until 1991, by just removing the rich and concentrating power with government, led by proper ideology. Stalin got the country of illiterate peasants with ploughs and left it with 100% literacy, and the nukes.

I like good old propaganda. Looks like a citation from "Pravda".
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