He's also kinda a crackpot: http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/09/22/the-strange-story-of-hen...
reminds me of Linus Pauling's later work
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling#Medical_research...
Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented
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Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented
#12Just in case, here is a video explaining it again [1]. I had to look it up myself.
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#13"God put me in the seat next to you." Did God also make you choke in the first place?
Yeah, this irks me as well. Why does this even have to come into play. Why not just thank Dr. Heimlich and give him all the well deserved credit? This lady could have just as easily been one of the millions of people since the maneuver was invented to have not been sitting next to Dr. Heimlich when they began to choke.
Why shit all over someone else's way of viewing the world if it doesn't affect you?
And none of the nonsense about Christians that don't believe in global warming or abortions or something, because you have no idea of this woman's stance on any of that.
Disclaimer: I'm as agnostic as they come.
EDIT: Let me add that I think it's ridiculous to criticize religious people for being religious. It is regressive and promotes animosity between the religious and the rest of us. A truly religious person will sooner die than give up their religion.
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#14"God put me in the seat next to you." Did God also make you choke in the first place?
Yeah, this irks me as well. Why does this even have to come into play. Why not just thank Dr. Heimlich and give him all the well deserved credit? This lady could have just as easily been one of the millions of people since the maneuver was invented to have not been sitting next to Dr. Heimlich when they began to choke.
Did I think I was on hackernews but accidentally visited reddit? (I've been here for long enough that I'm allowed to say that according to the rules, btw). How does a super facile refutation of people's traditional beliefs advance the discussion at all?
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#15For all of his ups and downs on a personal level, the guy has probably indirectly (and now directly) saved a ton of lives.
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#16Looks like it's the second time he's used the maneuver: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36400365
Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented
#17"God put me in the seat next to you." Did God also make you choke in the first place?
Yeah, this irks me as well. Why does this even have to come into play. Why not just thank Dr. Heimlich and give him all the well deserved credit? This lady could have just as easily been one of the millions of people since the maneuver was invented to have not been sitting next to Dr. Heimlich when they began to choke.
While I completely understand why this is an annoying point of view, the apparent contradiction is well understood. The official theology of many religions is that everything good comes from God, everything bad comes from people. God gave people some freedom, and they abused it to create all the problems of the world, which he is constantly working to correct, but he leaves a lot of the negative effects of our choices for our own good because we need to understand how much we need him and lots of other mysterious reasons that we wouldn't understand because we're too limited to see the big picture.
It's totally legitimate to complain about not liking this point of view, but people do know what they're doing when they thank God for everything good and blame people for everything bad. I think it's important for non-religious people to understand that because so much of the world is religious and believes that God sets the standard for what's true, not the appearance of things which we're able to understand and reason through.
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#18"God put me in the seat next to you." Did God also make you choke in the first place?
From a Christian perspective - Yes - even the choking. there's an aspect of God's will that is permissive - it is thought that God permits evil because it could allow for a higher good such as free will. Though this can't be said for sure.
Nihilism, gotcha.
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#19"God put me in the seat next to you." Did God also make you choke in the first place?
From a Christian perspective - Yes - even the choking. there's an aspect of God's will that is permissive - it is thought that God permits evil because it could allow for a higher good such as free will. Though this can't be said for sure.
... but then God surely can't be omnibenevolent!? (But perhaps that doctrine's been abandoned?)
I'm just pointing out the contradictions in "classic" Christianity. Regardless of all that, unless we somehow come up with a coherent and agreed-upon definition of God, I don't suspect anyone's mind will be changed by logical argument. And, thus, I defeat my own argument.
EDIT: I mean, it was Epicurus (~2000 years ago!) who first put this argument forward and I don't think anyone's ever come up with a good answer, so I'm forced to think that the problem is either a) coming up with a satisfactory definition of God, or b) belief in God is not determined by rational reasoning.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
From a Christian perspective - Yes - even the choking. there's an aspect of God's will that is permissive - it is thought that God permits evil because it could allow for a higher good such as free will. Though this can't be said for sure.
Nihilism, gotcha.
Nihilism is the position that nothing outside of the immediate has meaning. It's a polar opposite to theism, which places meaning in the hands of one or more deities.