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Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

#11
I've seen this at two shops now, verbatim (indicating that the phrase is cut-n-pasted from some management self-help book).

In both cases, it translated into, "The assholes who have the most seniority or the ear of executives are 'team players'. The team players who do not have those things are 'assholes'".

It's just a verbal tool and political weapon for bullies to encourage sycophants... and for me is more of a red flag than a recruiting tool at this point.

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

#12
If you want to see a place that has a toxic culture because it is filled with, well, arseholes - then you need to have a look at Wikipedia.

In fact, if you want to see how bad it can get, then you need to look at something I'm unfortunately responsible for starting - the Wikipedia Administrators' Noticeboard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_no...

Even worse is the incidents section of that noticeboard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_no...

It's very, very hard to edit on Wikipedia these days. If you have any mental instability whatsoever, I strongly urge you to avoid editing Wikipedia like the plague. It's very unlikely you'll be able to change the culture, good people with great reputations in the community have tried but the culture is so bad now that it's impossible to fix it as it stands.

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

#13
post #7

Wait, isn't refusing clients/opportunities/etc. because of "asshole-ness" in its own right also an asshole move? I mean sure you have good intentions, but isn't "no I'm not letting you into my lane cause your an asshole" kind of a hippicritical thing to say?

Why? There are plenty of times I've heard that a client won't pay up or demands things that are way outside of what was agreed to, and people just decide that they aren't who they want to do business with...

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

#14
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think he's a manipulative arsehole, but it does seem very aggressive and judgemental to use the term arseholes. Normally it's only arseholes who tend to call other people arseholes, after all :-)

Guilty as charged. :)

Oh, that wasn't aimed at you. :-) When I said "he" I meant the writer of the article!

All this talk of arseholes, very confusing.

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

#15
post #4

Ironically while reading this I got the distinct impression that the writer was a manipulative asshole.

I know what you mean. The piece sounded vaguely angry, perhaps part of what stimulated it is

A) Wide use of a strong word ("asshole") sounds angry. It can be funny, but I didn't sense humor.

B) All-or-nothing language

C) Focuses on failures of the past rather (so and so and his wife screwed us over!) than benefits seen from the policy.

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

#16

Ehhh. I work at a company that has a similar policy. What ends up happening is: 1) Everyone becomes conflict-averse for fear of looking like an asshole, so bad ideas often go unchecked 2) People find other ways to be assholes when they want to be, they're just passive-aggressive about it instead 3) It becomes a conversation-terminating cliche. Want to stifle someone disagreeing with you? Accuse them of phrasing somet…

> Everyone becomes conflict-averse for fear of looking like an asshole, so bad ideas often go unchecked

While assholes are probably necessary for a functional society, in the context of business the No Asshole Rule refers to things like sexually harassing your coworkers. Calling out bad ideas wouldn't qualify.

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

#17
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you get that impression?

I don't think he's a manipulative arsehole, but it does seem very aggressive and judgemental to use the term arseholes. Normally it's only arseholes who tend to call other people arseholes, after all :-)

I disagree. People intuitively know or quickly learn when others are socially trying to cause them harm. Classifying anyone doing that as an asshole is putting a word on a reflexive assessment even non-judgmental people do and understand. They might choose to take it a different direction in how they respond. They know person was being an asshole in that moment.

From there, we could say someone who consistently performs asshole behavior is straight-up an asshole. Whereas, others just act like them on occasion.

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

#18

I've seen this at two shops now, verbatim (indicating that the phrase is cut-n-pasted from some management self-help book). In both cases, it translated into, " The assholes who have the most seniority or the ear of executives are 'team players'. The team players who do not have those things are 'assholes' ". It's just a verbal tool and political weapon for bullies to encourage sycophants... and for me is more of a r…

Yes, precisely. It irks me how this concept is always stated so matter-of-factly, like they just discovered some objective fact of the universe and you're an idiot if you're not on board. "No assholes! Like, duh!"

All I can think is, let me guess: when you get rid of perks and don't promote people that should be promoted, and generally treat employees like cattle, you're not being an asshole. But if someone is not prim and proper about disagreeing with you on some issue they are an asshole.

Also, I had to laugh at this absolute ridiculous gem of a sentence:

> Almost everyone, including jerks, agree that a workplace free from assholes is attractive.

So, is that "jerks" as distinct from "assholes", or... ? The liberal employment of the word "asshole" gives the impression that this is direct, simple talk, that there is no wiggle room here. But the rub is always in who gets to decide who is an asshole and who isn't.

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

#19
With a passive aggressive policy, how would one expect anything but a bunch of assholes?

Negative rules are always a problem, because there's no consensus about what they mean. What does "playing politics mean"? Or "obnoxious"?

You know what's easier? Have a "treat your colleagues with respect" rule. Define that as "treat others as you would have them treat you".

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

#20
post #7

Wait, isn't refusing clients/opportunities/etc. because of "asshole-ness" in its own right also an asshole move? I mean sure you have good intentions, but isn't "no I'm not letting you into my lane cause your an asshole" kind of a hippicritical thing to say?

Bad customer behavior aways seems to go along with ending up with less money for the job in the end.

Particularly as a freelancer, you only have so many billable hours in a week. You can spend those hours with people you enjoy, and make more money, or with people who make you miserable, and make less money. Pretty obvious choice.

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