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Wow, I did not expect to see this. I imagined Tesla, a poster boy for American innovation, would do its best to stay away from shady labor practices. To their credit, they claim to know nothing about how their contractors employ people.
This is why Americans cannot have nice things. Why did jobs move overseas ? If I am a business owner it makes absolutely no sense for me to pay 10x wages just for the privilege of hiring american workers. And if Laws do not change to take into account this differential more and more businesses will leave america.
It is a rather complex problem and it needs to be solved, but I do not see how it's Tesla's fault. . . First off Tesla chose Eisenmann for the expansion and in return they subcontracted another company which then brought in the the workers for the illegal work. Given those circumstances I believe Eisenmann knew what was going on if not they would have never made such a low bid, because they would have risked paying o…
It is simple; Tesla should have a supervisor at the construction site that made sure everything was according to their specifications, be it construction or worker issues. It wouldn't be very difficult for the supervisor to tell that people who don't even speak English aren't legit workers. As for the solution, place huge fines for all companies involved. That would give motive to Tesla to both inspect their construc…
Have you worked in construction before? Non-English speaking employees (especially in California) aren't necessarily an indication that anything is amiss.
Supervision may have made a difference, but I'm not sure. The onus is on the contracted company to do things the right way.
I'm surprised that California building, OSHA , and employment inspectors didn't catch this. If they visited the site as I expect they would have multiple times through construction, and didn't find anything out of the ordinary, it tells you something about the inspections themselves and the degree that the required employment documents were misrepresented.
It is a rather complex problem and it needs to be solved, but I do not see how it's Tesla's fault. . . First off Tesla chose Eisenmann for the expansion and in return they subcontracted another company which then brought in the the workers for the illegal work. Given those circumstances I believe Eisenmann knew what was going on if not they would have never made such a low bid, because they would have risked paying o…
Why not? Otherwise, follow the logic: sub-contractor after sub-contractor until you reach the bottom and you've got some fly-by-night operation that you can't hold accountable.
Everyone involved shares the blame, including Tesla
This is why Americans cannot have nice things. Why did jobs move overseas ? If I am a business owner it makes absolutely no sense for me to pay 10x wages just for the privilege of hiring american workers. And if Laws do not change to take into account this differential more and more businesses will leave america.
Keep in mind though that workers who get paid 1/10x wages, can't afford your products.
GP was commenting on the expense of hiring American workers and wage competition. While there are some moral arguments for higher labor cost such as (ironically) workplace safety, the necessity for laborers to be able to afford the products they make is just nonsense.
It is a rather complex problem and it needs to be solved, but I do not see how it's Tesla's fault. . . First off Tesla chose Eisenmann for the expansion and in return they subcontracted another company which then brought in the the workers for the illegal work. Given those circumstances I believe Eisenmann knew what was going on if not they would have never made such a low bid, because they would have risked paying o…
5$ per hour is practically minimum wage here in Slovenia except that you also get compulsory health insurance and pension contribution on top of that. And it's not extremely hard to get a job. I wonder why anyone would repeatedly fly to the US to work for that money. He was maybe getting or was promised something more. Also funny how they call us an "impoverished country". In my eyes an average Joe has much better qu…
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Keep in mind though that workers who get paid 1/10x wages, can't afford your products.
Whose products? I don't see how your comment follows. Are you talking about $90k automobiles or groceries? GP was commenting on the expense of hiring American workers and wage competition. While there are some moral arguments for higher labor cost such as (ironically) workplace safety, the necessity for laborers to be able to afford the products they make is just nonsense.
Yes, I wouldn't expect workers at Ferrari to be able to afford one but this is the outlier.
This is why Americans cannot have nice things. Why did jobs move overseas ? If I am a business owner it makes absolutely no sense for me to pay 10x wages just for the privilege of hiring american workers. And if Laws do not change to take into account this differential more and more businesses will leave america.
There's all sorts of things that make absolutely no sense for business owners to do, so we have labor laws because business owners can't be trusted to not fuck everything up for society.