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Re: Why OpenBSD Is Important to Me

#11
End of the day, OpenBSD is a great example of the value of competition, and the necessity to maintain market rules that encourage it.

How awesome is it that we have dedicated operation system geared towards the niche of the market that cares deeply about security?

Re: Why OpenBSD Is Important to Me

#12

Probably worth noting as well how many software products OpenBSD has contributed back to the overall free software world; things like OpenSSH, (edit: NOT OpenSSL), a more secure ntpd and inetd. Even if you don't run OpenBSD, you benefit from it.

> how many software products OpenBSD has contributed back to the overall free software world; things like OpenSSH, OpenSSL, a more secure ntpd and inetd

One of them is not like the others -- OpenSSL is not an OpenBSD project and the code quality is markedly different :-)

Re: Why OpenBSD Is Important to Me

#13

Probably worth noting as well how many software products OpenBSD has contributed back to the overall free software world; things like OpenSSH, (edit: NOT OpenSSL), a more secure ntpd and inetd. Even if you don't run OpenBSD, you benefit from it.

OpenSSL does not come from OpenBSD (the LibreSSL fork does).

Re: Why OpenBSD Is Important to Me

#14

We also owe the OpenBSD team OpenSSH, which greatly benefits from their attention to detail and commitment to small improvements towards better security. Of course software is never perfect, but it's nice to know the (small) subset of OpenBSD developers working on OpenSSH are still working on keeping the proverbial doors locked.

Yes, the OpenBSD team's willingness to roll up their sleeves for software that I consider core to a functional Internet is pretty remarkable. Even though the last OpenSSL vulnerability also affected LibreSSL, in the past others haven't.

EDIT: Morning brain made context shift unclear. They do OpenSSH and now LibreSSL. Also pf and more too.

Re: Why OpenBSD Is Important to Me

#15
I don't know how anyone can lump Linux in with Windows when it comes to security from NSA spying and then say OpenBSD is a good alternative.

HN seems to love the anti-Linux FUD though. Anything that further fractures the OSS community is upvoted fast.

I like the BSDs too, but there are a ton of reasons Linux is the most popular kernel in the world, it's not just because the NSA makes it so.

Re: Why OpenBSD Is Important to Me

#16

Probably worth noting as well how many software products OpenBSD has contributed back to the overall free software world; things like OpenSSH, (edit: NOT OpenSSL), a more secure ntpd and inetd. Even if you don't run OpenBSD, you benefit from it.

They didn't do OpenSSL, though I believe they started the LibreSSL fork. Still, your point is a good one.

Re: Why OpenBSD Is Important to Me

#17

End of the day, OpenBSD is a great example of the value of competition, and the necessity to maintain market rules that encourage it. How awesome is it that we have dedicated operation system geared towards the niche of the market that cares deeply about security?

Just fyi we actually have multiple operating systems dedicated to security.

Re: Why OpenBSD Is Important to Me

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post #15

I don't know how anyone can lump Linux in with Windows when it comes to security from NSA spying and then say OpenBSD is a good alternative. HN seems to love the anti-Linux FUD though. Anything that further fractures the OSS community is upvoted fast. I like the BSDs too, but there are a ton of reasons Linux is the most popular kernel in the world, it's not just because the NSA makes it so.

it's not just that though, there's the push for systemd which was not welcomed and alienated a lot of sysadmin folk who frequent hackernews.

personally I felt rather shafted by systemd, not because it's bad, but because my arguments were never even met, it was just a brushing off from some of the people who had already accepted it.

So I tried the BSD's and they were significantly better than I imagined they would be, I would put money on this being the case for other people who are upvoting these topics.

Re: Why OpenBSD Is Important to Me

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I'm curious why the author says Linux is "insecure, anti-secure, and anti-privacy software" Can anyone explain this? Also, why OpenBSD specifically, and not FreeBSD for example?

Since OpenBSD can be backdoored[1] with the same ease that the Linux kernel could be backdoored, I have no idea why all the fuss. Debian is pretty thorough in NOT including proprietary software if that's what we're talking about. As far as I'm concerned, it's good to have options and the OpenBSD developers have created software that I use daily (OpenSMTPd, SSH, PF, etc.) and for that, I'm thankful! ps. I know that de…

>can be backdoored[1] with the same ease

No, no with the same ease. Every OpenBSD commit is throughly reviewed, and there is only a bunch of commiters. Compared with linux, with thousands of commiters and tons of code added every day, OBSD is way more difficult to backdoor.

Re: Why OpenBSD Is Important to Me

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post #18
post #15

I don't know how anyone can lump Linux in with Windows when it comes to security from NSA spying and then say OpenBSD is a good alternative. HN seems to love the anti-Linux FUD though. Anything that further fractures the OSS community is upvoted fast. I like the BSDs too, but there are a ton of reasons Linux is the most popular kernel in the world, it's not just because the NSA makes it so.

it's not just that though, there's the push for systemd which was not welcomed and alienated a lot of sysadmin folk who frequent hackernews. personally I felt rather shafted by systemd, not because it's bad, but because my arguments were never even met, it was just a brushing off from some of the people who had already accepted it. So I tried the BSD's and they were significantly better than I imagined they would be,…

Indeed. If systemd were just a parallelized init system with better unit management, far more would be okay with this shift.

But that wasn't enough. They had to hijack bootloading, logging, device management, network, etc. For reasons that nobody seems to be able to actually explicate.

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