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Apple Stole My Music

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Re: Apple Stole My Music

#11

Post by SunShiranui »

yedpodtrzitko wrote: post #9
Olap84 wrote: post #7

Reasons to pirate number 567839234

Let me paraphrase it - if there's a dozen of streaming services, and one of them does misbehaves, it gives you a reason to pirate? That's a really poor excuse (or if that's a joke, then it's a poor one too).

It highlights a very serious issue, though - an increasing number of services use all kinds of crazy DRM that only result in great inconveniences for the paying user.

Compare that to the relative simplicity of having your music, books, etc. as a plain file, and you can see where the problem is: paying gets you less, rarely more.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

#12

Post by DanBC »

coldtea wrote: post #6
nrinaudo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's the case, somebody at Apple is seriously incompetent. - Copy files that don't belong to them without the owner's explicit permission: some people call that piracy. I believe individuals caught doing that with movies have been faced with some hefty fines. I understand the purpose, but it needs to come with a big, massive, Allow Apple to pirate your data, trust us, it's for your own protection checkbox. Who kno…

> I believe individuals caught doing that with movies have been faced with some hefty fines. I doubt it. The only hefty fines were for redistribution, not mere copying/download.

Apple are re-distributing. And they're doing as part of business, which usually tips it from civil[1] to criminal[2].

[1] I think the US term is "a tort"?

[2] Fines and prison time, not damages.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

#14

Post by coderdude »

yedpodtrzitko wrote: post #9
Olap84 wrote: post #7

Reasons to pirate number 567839234

Let me paraphrase it - if there's a dozen of streaming services, and one of them does misbehaves, it gives you a reason to pirate? That's a really poor excuse (or if that's a joke, then it's a poor one too).

You're basically trying to reason with a troll comment about pirating. They don't need 5 billion reasons. There's only one. It's free.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

#15

Post by hudo »

Similar what happened to me years ago - i got new iphone, installed itunes, it synced all local files. Few weeks later, i de-synced the phone or something like that, and all my local files were gone! Still not sure how or why, there were no warnings or anything. From that day, i stay as far as possible from iTunes and similar "smart music sync" apps. Spotify doesn't see my local music collection, and vice versa. All music streaming services and their apps are total crap, they try to lock you in and manage everything like you're an idiot.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

#16

Post by newjersey »

yedpodtrzitko wrote: post #9
Olap84 wrote: post #7

Reasons to pirate number 567839234

Let me paraphrase it - if there's a dozen of streaming services, and one of them does misbehaves, it gives you a reason to pirate? That's a really poor excuse (or if that's a joke, then it's a poor one too).

That's just your opinion, man.

GP's point is perfectly valid. Look at XKCD 488

https://xkcd.com/488/

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by DanBC »

buserror wrote: post #2

To be fair, they probably came up with that in a way to reduce the /other/ army of people coming to see in the 'genius' to restore the laptop they've never backuped EVER and have accidentally wiped, containing 10+ years of their digital life...

In that case they should copy, but not delete, the files.

And they should have better content matching so they don't destroy user data.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

#18

Post by d--b »

croon wrote: post #10

Cue the Apple rationalists in 3... 2... 1... That really sucks, but I do hope you have a local backup and/or offsite backup and not mentioning that for effect? It's still amazingly evil by Apple, but I hope you still have your files.

He did, as per the article.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

#19

Post by SyneRyder »

onion2k wrote: post #5

I can't think of a single reason why Apple would want to delete the files from the user's computer apart from an intent to lock the user in to the service by making it tremendously hard to leave. That's the black hole of UI dark patterns.

I imagine their thinking (as flawed as it is) is that it frees up local disk space for the user. If you've got a base level MacBook Air with just a 128GB SSD, maybe it seems beneficial to have a 40GB iTunes library stored entirely in the cloud on demand, and suddenly have 30% disk space freed up.

Apple have a similar philosophy with Photos, where the photos on your device are just low resolution versions, with the original hi-resolution versions kept on iCloud, if you choose the Optimize Device Storage setting. [1]

Not a philosophy I agree with. I like to keep my data local so I can use it offline. It's one reason I bought a 2012 MBP - I could get 1TB of storage cheaply, and I can upgrade it to a 1TB SSD myself for half the price of what Apple charges (Apple charges $800 for a 1TB SSD in Australia).

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT204264

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by dendory »

A long time ago I started to use the iPhone music app. Then I quickly discovered that songs sent to the iPhone could not be sent back the other way. This was just the beginning of Apple's lock-in. I got out of it right then and there. Now I store my music on my own server and use one of the many third party music apps to play them.

If a service smells of lock-in, you can be sure things won't become better, they will become worse like the issues people get with Apple Music and iCloud. You care about your files? Then you manage them, don't trust some service you have no control over.

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