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“I made 3 CEOs rich – So why am I broke?”

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Re: “I made 3 CEOs rich – So why am I broke?”

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And this, boys and girls, is why you should never join a second start-up. Join one early, see how it works & learn as much as you can. Do not expect $$$ - you will not make any. Then decide if you want to start your own, or want comfortable well-paid employment at GOOG/AAPL/FB/etc Do not expect to make money from a start-up unless you started it. If you did not start it, you are the disposable labour. Sorry.

If people took your advice Silicon Valley would be toast.

True but this doesn't mean he's not right. 9 out of 10 startups fail. And you usually do make more money if you started it.

Re: “I made 3 CEOs rich – So why am I broke?”

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Company 1) "I got my first job working in the marketing department for a wireless device company, ten years ago. I got paid the market rate which was very good, but as you know, Northern California is an expensive place to live. My first company got sold. I had stock options but they ended up being worthless after the deal." ---> That does not count. You stayed for 10 years, learned a lot, and it seems you came in at…

> I don't see how you deserve any of the millions they got

I also don't see how they did. Did they work so much harder as to 'deserve' a ten to hundred fold turnout of their investment?

Re: “I made 3 CEOs rich – So why am I broke?”

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Company 1) "I got my first job working in the marketing department for a wireless device company, ten years ago. I got paid the market rate which was very good, but as you know, Northern California is an expensive place to live. My first company got sold. I had stock options but they ended up being worthless after the deal." ---> That does not count. You stayed for 10 years, learned a lot, and it seems you came in at…

> I don't see how you deserve any of the millions they got I also don't see how they did. Did they work so much harder as to 'deserve' a ten to hundred fold turnout of their investment?

Capitalist success isn't something paid out by the hour. They capitalized on an opportunity. They made out big. Its the system we live under.

Re: “I made 3 CEOs rich – So why am I broke?”

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Being an employee at a startup does mean you took a risk, but nothing in comparison to the founders who built it. Most employees don't understand that a lot of things change along with way when building a company. Most product companies start with dreams of IPO or getting sold to a large company at a massive valuation. This seldom happens for the vast majority of startups - who either go bust, sell to slightly larger…

> Being an employee at a startup does mean you took a risk, but nothing in comparison to the founders who built it. Bullshit. I hate this sort of rhetoric. Founders took no more risk than the first employees. The founders got funding, and if they did not they convinced some poor schlub to waste their time on the startup. That's the only difference between early startup employees and founders. Many employees at tech s…

> founders still got paid a salary

Founders get paid a salary? That hasn't always been true in my experience.

> Founders took no more risk than the first employees.

If it's actually that easy you should go be a startup founder. After all, there's no risk, right?

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And this, boys and girls, is why you should never join a second start-up. Join one early, see how it works & learn as much as you can. Do not expect $$$ - you will not make any. Then decide if you want to start your own, or want comfortable well-paid employment at GOOG/AAPL/FB/etc Do not expect to make money from a start-up unless you started it. If you did not start it, you are the disposable labour. Sorry.

If people took your advice Silicon Valley would be toast.

Silicon valley is built on naive dreamers who time and time again expect to make money as startup employees against all rules of logic and contrary to historical data.

Re: “I made 3 CEOs rich – So why am I broke?”

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> I don't see how you deserve any of the millions they got I also don't see how they did. Did they work so much harder as to 'deserve' a ten to hundred fold turnout of their investment?

Capitalist success isn't something paid out by the hour. They capitalized on an opportunity. They made out big. Its the system we live under.

Well, it seems like the OP was supposed to get stock options at these places where they worked, but somehow their stakes vaporized in some kind of finance shell game. But of course, it's all caveat employtor, right? Silicon valley companies were illegally depressing wages for years, and it's all about the individual workers not "negotiating good enuf". Fuck off. Capitalism is broken because the owners are scamming the workers en masse.

Re: “I made 3 CEOs rich – So why am I broke?”

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> Being an employee at a startup does mean you took a risk, but nothing in comparison to the founders who built it. Bullshit. I hate this sort of rhetoric. Founders took no more risk than the first employees. The founders got funding, and if they did not they convinced some poor schlub to waste their time on the startup. That's the only difference between early startup employees and founders. Many employees at tech s…

> founders still got paid a salary Founders get paid a salary? That hasn't always been true in my experience. > Founders took no more risk than the first employees. If it's actually that easy you should go be a startup founder. After all, there's no risk, right?

Let's be honest: people who found startups fall in three categories:

* Those who have funds to fall back on in case the startup fails

* Those who got VC funding

* Those who are actually risking things because they invested everything in their startup

I'd wager the first two categories make up 90% of startup founders. These people take absolutely zero risks. Whoop, startup fails. Oh well, it was either not your money or you've still got a comfortable amount to sit on.

Thsoe last 10 percent, yes, they do take risks. Don't expect me to cry for the others.

Re: “I made 3 CEOs rich – So why am I broke?”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people took your advice Silicon Valley would be toast.

Silicon valley is built on naive dreamers who time and time again expect to make money as startup employees against all rules of logic and contrary to historical data.

From what I can see, the odds of getting rich through stock options at a startup are similar to winning the lottery.
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