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DuckDuckGo Wants Answers to Linux Questions
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Re: DuckDuckGo Wants Answers to Linux Questions
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not trying to be obtuse, I'm genuinely confused how to contribute :(
Ok, I think I see what they are attempting. I like instant answers, but the DDG guys need to learn how to play nicely in this space. They are a search engine, not a content provider. One of the key issues I think sites have with Google at the moment is that if they start pulling in their data then people don't actually visit their page. Wikipedia is a good example - it relies on contributions from the general public,…
> They are a search engine, not a content provider.
In regards to scraping SO answers, I don't see the problem. In a classic search engine, the title of the page is listed, with an excerpt of the text on the page immediately below it.
In DDG, IIRC, the SO instant answers display the exact same information, but just format it better. Same with the wikibooks answers (those are the only instant answers I can remember triggering recently). What's wrong with that?
Re: DuckDuckGo Wants Answers to Linux Questions
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not trying to be obtuse, I'm genuinely confused how to contribute :(
Ok, I think I see what they are attempting. I like instant answers, but the DDG guys need to learn how to play nicely in this space. They are a search engine, not a content provider. One of the key issues I think sites have with Google at the moment is that if they start pulling in their data then people don't actually visit their page. Wikipedia is a good example - it relies on contributions from the general public,…
> I like instant answers, but the DDG guys need to learn how to play nicely in this space.
They are only following on the industry standard for this feature. Google, Bing, Yahoo all do this already. DDG adding this feature (but offering to let people correct the entries and open-sourcing the answers) is just achieving feature parity, not diving into new territory.
Re: DuckDuckGo Wants Answers to Linux Questions
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, I think I see what they are attempting. I like instant answers, but the DDG guys need to learn how to play nicely in this space. They are a search engine, not a content provider. One of the key issues I think sites have with Google at the moment is that if they start pulling in their data then people don't actually visit their page. Wikipedia is a good example - it relies on contributions from the general public,…
> They are a search engine, not a content provider. In regards to scraping SO answers, I don't see the problem. In a classic search engine, the title of the page is listed, with an excerpt of the text on the page immediately below it. In DDG, IIRC, the SO instant answers display the exact same information, but just format it better. Same with the wikibooks answers (those are the only instant answers I can remember tr…
Nope, that's not how it works. I just had a look to see how it's done and submitted a pull request to update the git cheatsheet - that's a JSON file, and you add a link to the source.
Have a look at the pull request here:
https://github.com/duckduckgo/zeroclickinfo-goodies/pull/296...
Re: DuckDuckGo Wants Answers to Linux Questions
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, I think I see what they are attempting. I like instant answers, but the DDG guys need to learn how to play nicely in this space. They are a search engine, not a content provider. One of the key issues I think sites have with Google at the moment is that if they start pulling in their data then people don't actually visit their page. Wikipedia is a good example - it relies on contributions from the general public,…
> I like instant answers, but the DDG guys need to learn how to play nicely in this space. They are only following on the industry standard for this feature. Google, Bing, Yahoo all do this already. DDG adding this feature (but offering to let people correct the entries and open-sourcing the answers) is just achieving feature parity, not diving into new territory.
Well, that's fine if you just want another search engine, but DDG seems to be trying to be ethical in it's dealings, so I figured they might want to consider how they impact upon others.
If they start tracking me to achieve "feature parity", that's sort of one less feature I can do without!
Re: DuckDuckGo Wants Answers to Linux Questions
#16I'm a tad confused. What do they want us to do?
Sorry for the confusion. In the reddit post there are a couple of Linux Instant Answers referenced. They each have an overview page with metadata:
https://duck.co/ia/view/linux_cheat_sheet https://duck.co/ia/view/linux_error
To actually see them in action, here are two example queries:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux%20cheat%20sheet&ia=cheatshee... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux%20enoent
It would be great if Linux experts could check for errors and suggest improvements. This can be done via the "Create issue" button in each overview page. It's also possible to create new Instant Answers or submit PRs for improvements. We have a list of Instant Answers we're looking for, and links to our docs, here: https://github.com/duckduckgo/duckduckgo/wiki/Programming-IA...
I see you've already been doing this (thank you!) but hopefully explaining it here clears up confusion for others.
Re: DuckDuckGo Wants Answers to Linux Questions
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not trying to be obtuse, I'm genuinely confused how to contribute :(
Ok, I think I see what they are attempting. I like instant answers, but the DDG guys need to learn how to play nicely in this space. They are a search engine, not a content provider. One of the key issues I think sites have with Google at the moment is that if they start pulling in their data then people don't actually visit their page. Wikipedia is a good example - it relies on contributions from the general public,…
DDG staff here. The non-cheat sheet Instant Answers we have all either use data from a third-party API or show a snippet of an external page's content. In all cases we link to the source.
For cheat sheets, we either write the information from scratch (as in the tennis cheat sheet) or rely on existing key->value data such as keyboard shortcuts or command parameters. Again, we link to the source in both cases although our cheat sheets often end up featuring improvements or fixes, added by either the author or the community at a later date. They become living, open source resources and are also exposed in our API: https://duckduckgo.com/api
You're right - we're not a content provider, but so far we've found people appreciate saving even a click or a page load to find what they're searching for.
Re: DuckDuckGo Wants Answers to Linux Questions
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, I think I see what they are attempting. I like instant answers, but the DDG guys need to learn how to play nicely in this space. They are a search engine, not a content provider. One of the key issues I think sites have with Google at the moment is that if they start pulling in their data then people don't actually visit their page. Wikipedia is a good example - it relies on contributions from the general public,…
DDG staff here. The non-cheat sheet Instant Answers we have all either use data from a third-party API or show a snippet of an external page's content. In all cases we link to the source. For cheat sheets, we either write the information from scratch (as in the tennis cheat sheet) or rely on existing key->value data such as keyboard shortcuts or command parameters. Again, we link to the source in both cases although…
Apologies if I came off as being hyper critical, that wasn't my intent. Actually, I'm pretty impressed with what you are doing - I just setup a codio account and submitted a pull request to update the git cheat sheet, just to see how you are doing things. Pretty cool :-)
My only point is that all search engines tend to cannibalise the ones they index to a certain degree when they aggregate or present results from their own website. It doesn't make it wrong to do so, or even unethical. I just think it would be nice if some sort of mechanism could be worked out to encourage people to visit and contribute more to the sites that generate the data being used.
DDG makes it quite plain where the data is coming from, and is very open and transparent with what you guys are doing, so please just take what I wrote as a comment and maybe a request, but certainly not a criticism.
Edit: I just reread my comment and I expressed myself rather poorly I think. The sentence "DDG need to learn how to play nicely..." was not at all what I was trying to convey. DDG do play nicely with others, far more so than anyone else. I apologise for that phrasing, that was unintentionally rude.
Re: DuckDuckGo Wants Answers to Linux Questions
#19I'm a tad confused. What do they want us to do?
Sorry for the confusion. In the reddit post there are a couple of Linux Instant Answers referenced. They each have an overview page with metadata: https://duck.co/ia/view/linux_cheat_sheet https://duck.co/ia/view/linux_error To actually see them in action, here are two example queries: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux%20cheat%20sheet&ia=cheatshee... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux%20enoent It would be great if Linux e…
No probs, your documentation (once I found it) is actually top notch. Take it from someone who had to setup the LibreOffice repo on my system, which is quite well documented, you guys actually have the best and clearest documentation I've seen!
Contributing was a pleasure :-)
Re: DuckDuckGo Wants Answers to Linux Questions
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
DDG staff here. The non-cheat sheet Instant Answers we have all either use data from a third-party API or show a snippet of an external page's content. In all cases we link to the source. For cheat sheets, we either write the information from scratch (as in the tennis cheat sheet) or rely on existing key->value data such as keyboard shortcuts or command parameters. Again, we link to the source in both cases although…
Apologies if I came off as being hyper critical, that wasn't my intent. Actually, I'm pretty impressed with what you are doing - I just setup a codio account and submitted a pull request to update the git cheat sheet, just to see how you are doing things. Pretty cool :-) My only point is that all search engines tend to cannibalise the ones they index to a certain degree when they aggregate or present results from the…
No need for the apology! As much as we need contributions, we also need feedback beyond just code, whether it's praise or criticism.
I didn't take your comment as rude at all and you make valid points. We're continually looking at how best to serve our users, contributors and the wider web while building trust and protecting privacy, and such feedback helps us do that.