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Re: Docker on Windows Server 2016 Technical Preview 5

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Post by newjersey »

patates wrote: post #3

If this starts utilizing the "Ubuntu on Windows"[0], I think, with minor modifications, most of the images should already work; which is great. I can't wait to see how containerization (and tools built for orchestration of those) will evolve in the coming years to help dev/devops. [0]: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the...

Paul Thurrott quoted a Microsoft person that Ubuntu on Windows is a client side thing. It may be possible to use it on Windows server but I believe that is not the meta.

I would say it is easier to just spin up an Ubuntu instance than to use Ubuntu on Windows on the server. What are some use cases that you're thinking of? Am I missing something?

Re: Docker on Windows Server 2016 Technical Preview 5

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Post by userbinator »

toyg wrote: post #5

The only drawback of the current onslaught of Microsoft activity is the fact that most "enterprise" businesses and software products are completely unprepared or unwilling to move in step. As an integrator, I've barely started seeing Win2012 in production last year, so it will be another 5 years before I can start playing with these new toys. Hell, some people are still chugging along with 2003sp2... and I'm talking…

Hell, some people are still chugging along with 2003sp2

I'd think this is for the same reason XP lasted so long --- it's a good stable platform free of all the hassles and complexities of the ones that came after it. A lot of home users are already quite disturbed by the privacy implications of Windows 10, and if anything big businesses would be even more cautious of the same for its server counterpart.

Re: Docker on Windows Server 2016 Technical Preview 5

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Post by terom »

dsp1234 wrote: post #8
terom wrote: post #2

What about licensing? Does the docker image manifest include machine-readable licensing metadata required for automated licence compliance verification?

The main windows server 2016 page has pretty clear guidance on this[0]: --- OSEs/Hyper-V containers DataCenter: Unlimited Standard: 2 ---- Windows Server containers Datacenter: Unlimited Standard: Unlimited --- [0] - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/products/window...

What about running Docker containers on desktop/laptop machines during development? It's a major part of the Docker usecase.

Trying to keep track of Windows licensing compliance across multiple versions and deployment models is confusing enough as it is. Different sources will give different answers to the same questions when interpreting licensing scenarios, and you can never know unless you get audited (?)

Re: Docker on Windows Server 2016 Technical Preview 5

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Post by Zekio »

userbinator wrote: post #12
toyg wrote: post #5

The only drawback of the current onslaught of Microsoft activity is the fact that most "enterprise" businesses and software products are completely unprepared or unwilling to move in step. As an integrator, I've barely started seeing Win2012 in production last year, so it will be another 5 years before I can start playing with these new toys. Hell, some people are still chugging along with 2003sp2... and I'm talking…

Hell, some people are still chugging along with 2003sp2 I'd think this is for the same reason XP lasted so long --- it's a good stable platform free of all the hassles and complexities of the ones that came after it. A lot of home users are already quite disturbed by the privacy implications of Windows 10, and if anything big businesses would be even more cautious of the same for its server counterpart.

and all of those home users are on Facebook already, so it probably doesn't matter.

Re: Docker on Windows Server 2016 Technical Preview 5

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Post by justincormack »

terom wrote: post #13
dsp1234 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main windows server 2016 page has pretty clear guidance on this[0]: --- OSEs/Hyper-V containers DataCenter: Unlimited Standard: 2 ---- Windows Server containers Datacenter: Unlimited Standard: Unlimited --- [0] - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/products/window...

What about running Docker containers on desktop/laptop machines during development? It's a major part of the Docker usecase. Trying to keep track of Windows licensing compliance across multiple versions and deployment models is confusing enough as it is. Different sources will give different answers to the same questions when interpreting licensing scenarios, and you can never know unless you get audited (?)

Currently Windows containers are only available on Server not on desktop at all, hence there is no licensing information available for desktop.

Re: Docker on Windows Server 2016 Technical Preview 5

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Post by poooogles »

CrLf wrote: post #6
toyg wrote: post #5

The only drawback of the current onslaught of Microsoft activity is the fact that most "enterprise" businesses and software products are completely unprepared or unwilling to move in step. As an integrator, I've barely started seeing Win2012 in production last year, so it will be another 5 years before I can start playing with these new toys. Hell, some people are still chugging along with 2003sp2... and I'm talking…

And one might argue they are taking the sane approach to the upgrade treadmill. It's easy to forget technology is supposed to solve real problems and that there's no economic incentive to use new toys to solve already solved problems, possibly introducing new issues with less well-known solutions. The fact businesses are extending the life of systems not because they are unwilling to invest in upgrades but because th…

>Today, Windows 2003 is 13 years old and still pretty serviceable.

Unless you're maintaining Server 2003 itself, at which point it comes with 13 years worth of problems.

Re: Docker on Windows Server 2016 Technical Preview 5

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Post by josteink »

terom wrote: post #13
dsp1234 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main windows server 2016 page has pretty clear guidance on this[0]: --- OSEs/Hyper-V containers DataCenter: Unlimited Standard: 2 ---- Windows Server containers Datacenter: Unlimited Standard: Unlimited --- [0] - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/products/window...

What about running Docker containers on desktop/laptop machines during development? It's a major part of the Docker usecase. Trying to keep track of Windows licensing compliance across multiple versions and deployment models is confusing enough as it is. Different sources will give different answers to the same questions when interpreting licensing scenarios, and you can never know unless you get audited (?)

Traditionally, you've been allowed near anything for development and testing purposes using an MSDN subscription.

I would assume that also applies to VMs or containers.

Re: Docker on Windows Server 2016 Technical Preview 5

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Post by illumin8 »

CrLf wrote: post #6
toyg wrote: post #5

The only drawback of the current onslaught of Microsoft activity is the fact that most "enterprise" businesses and software products are completely unprepared or unwilling to move in step. As an integrator, I've barely started seeing Win2012 in production last year, so it will be another 5 years before I can start playing with these new toys. Hell, some people are still chugging along with 2003sp2... and I'm talking…

And one might argue they are taking the sane approach to the upgrade treadmill. It's easy to forget technology is supposed to solve real problems and that there's no economic incentive to use new toys to solve already solved problems, possibly introducing new issues with less well-known solutions. The fact businesses are extending the life of systems not because they are unwilling to invest in upgrades but because th…

Windows 2003 is end of support life and you aren't receiving security patches unless you're paying Microsoft a huge amount of money for extended support.

One might argue that it's insane to run a 13 year old OS that is not getting security updates any more at your business.

Re: Docker on Windows Server 2016 Technical Preview 5

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Post by dijit »

Zekio wrote: post #14
userbinator wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hell, some people are still chugging along with 2003sp2 I'd think this is for the same reason XP lasted so long --- it's a good stable platform free of all the hassles and complexities of the ones that came after it. A lot of home users are already quite disturbed by the privacy implications of Windows 10, and if anything big businesses would be even more cautious of the same for its server counterpart.

and all of those home users are on Facebook already, so it probably doesn't matter.

By the same logic; I am a UK citizen, so it "probably" doesn't matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

Re: Docker on Windows Server 2016 Technical Preview 5

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Post by Sir_Substance »

Zekio wrote: post #14
userbinator wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hell, some people are still chugging along with 2003sp2 I'd think this is for the same reason XP lasted so long --- it's a good stable platform free of all the hassles and complexities of the ones that came after it. A lot of home users are already quite disturbed by the privacy implications of Windows 10, and if anything big businesses would be even more cautious of the same for its server counterpart.

and all of those home users are on Facebook already, so it probably doesn't matter.

Just because you're on facebook doesn't mean everyone is.

I'm one of an extremely large number of people who haven't made your mistakes. We tend not to bring it up because people like you go super-aggressive-defense and accuse us of being paranoid if we do.

Don't mistake our not bring it up for us not existing.

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