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MS and Oracle's big dev tools - who needs 'em? - Viva Emacs and Vim

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Re: MS and Oracle's big dev tools - who needs 'em? - Viva Emacs and Vim

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Post by mattwdelong »

prog wrote: post #4

I tend to stick to Vim for everything Java, Scala, Python etc. :vimgrep along with :tabedit works nicely. To help with nested path I tend to have paths for my project setup in .zshrc so I can do :e $PROJECT_SRC/foo/bar/x.java or $PROJECT_TEST/foo/bar/simple.java. vim + terminator[1] + build tool (ant, maven, sbt [2], scons...) works very nicely for me. Two reasons I stay away from IDEs: a) I find them horribly unresp…

I gave you karma for your use of Terminator, and of course, VIM. I find these tools immensely helpful to my development.

With dual 24" Monitors I span terminator across both screens, split horizontal once and vertically on each screen. Modified keybindings make switching between terminals so simple. Add Synergy for seamless access to my Windows system, I can't find a better set up.

Re: MS and Oracle's big dev tools - who needs 'em? - Viva Emacs and Vim

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Post by AndrewDucker »

"But lighter weight tools offer a more rapid edit/test cycle with less waiting time."

If I'm using Visual Studio then a rebuild is a keypress away. I currently have the Resharper addon installed, which means that running all the unit tests just means pressing ctrl-shift-N. I can't see how a lighter weight tool would make that any faster...

Re: MS and Oracle's big dev tools - who needs 'em? - Viva Emacs and Vim

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Post by albemuth »

AndrewDucker wrote: post #12

"But lighter weight tools offer a more rapid edit/test cycle with less waiting time." If I'm using Visual Studio then a rebuild is a keypress away. I currently have the Resharper addon installed, which means that running all the unit tests just means pressing ctrl-shift-N. I can't see how a lighter weight tool would make that any faster...

autotest for ruby will run your tests every time it detects a file has changed ;)

Re: MS and Oracle's big dev tools - who needs 'em? - Viva Emacs and Vim

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Post by viggity »

giu wrote: post #7
martinp wrote: post #2

The funny thing is that when compared to Visual Studio (and JDeveloper?), NetBeans, IntelliJ and even Eclipse can be considered lightweight.

That's actually true. A fresh install of Visual Studio (VS) is already quite heavy, but when you install an add-in like ReSharper (hands down, it's still one of the best add-ins for VS) on top of it everything gets more heavy and slower. Yet still, for the time I had worked with Eclipse during my studies, I have to say (languages set aside) that I enjoy more to work with VS.

I know a lot of people who like resharper, but I'm a CodeRush guy myself. I've evaluated both and CodeRush has a much better UI (no modal dialog boxes) and does some awesome stuff with graphics so you can preview what your code will look like after a refactoring. It has had some mem/perf issues in the past, but they have fixed their issues - the same can't be said for resharper.

Re: MS and Oracle's big dev tools - who needs 'em? - Viva Emacs and Vim

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Post by etherael »

martinp wrote: post #2

The funny thing is that when compared to Visual Studio (and JDeveloper?), NetBeans, IntelliJ and even Eclipse can be considered lightweight.

Having used Jdeveloper and netbeans, I'd have to say I don't see the point of jdev at all, it appears to do much less, worse. I don't think it belongs in the same category as something like VS (does much more, better).
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