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Congress is clueless about tech because it killed its tutor

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Re: Congress is clueless about tech because it killed its tutor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't my experience from going through the USDS hiring process, although that's a branch of the White House's Executive Office, not congress. Disclaimer: No degree, 15 years in tech, was considered qualified.

The USDS is a very new and fundamentally different organization from most of what the US has ever done with tech.

Agree, and a model which Congress would be wise to adopt...if Congress had competent guardians at its helm. But I digress.

Re: Congress is clueless about tech because it killed its tutor

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An OTA, if it still existed, wouldn't hire college-dropout Facebook engineers. It would be staffed with mid/end-career PhDs who came up through Boeing, IBM, etc. Because that's what the government hiring process considers "qualified." You think they are going to see eye-to-eye with the tech industry on hot-button issues like copyright, patents, etc?

As well they should hire qualified people. I don't want "college-dropout Facebook engineers", and the goal of something like the OTA isn't to act as Google's lobbying firm.

It's actually not at all difficult to find the names of people who worked at OTA as principal staff members. All the reports are archived at http://ota.fas.org/ with names on each one. It's a bit harder to match them up with a current profile, because well, it's been 20 years, but in my 10 minutes of Googling, here's the first former OTA project lead I managed to find today (http://www.cchem.berkeley.edu/jsngrp/).

The OTA was (and should still be) a group of people with the expertise to sythesize a large body of research in a topic. You don't learn those skills making Facebook's "like" button load 20% faster. You learn them by spending a good chunk of your 20s reading thousands of pages of research for your PhD.

Re: Congress is clueless about tech because it killed its tutor

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"The problem was that the OTA was reality-based and reality has a well-known liberal bias." That's cute. No, actually, it's bureaucrats that have a liberal bias. Meanwhile, in the absence of the OTA, we've been busy building laser weapons and missile interceptors.

Indeed, it was nicknamed the Office of Technology Assassination back before it was properly terminated with extreme prejudice.

It's really fun watching scientists and engineers, real experts, build all these things the OTA and its allies assured us was either impossible or beyond the foreseeable future state of the art.

Re: Congress is clueless about tech because it killed its tutor

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An OTA, if it still existed, wouldn't hire college-dropout Facebook engineers. It would be staffed with mid/end-career PhDs who came up through Boeing, IBM, etc. Because that's what the government hiring process considers "qualified." You think they are going to see eye-to-eye with the tech industry on hot-button issues like copyright, patents, etc?

As well they should hire qualified people. I don't want "college-dropout Facebook engineers", and the goal of something like the OTA isn't to act as Google's lobbying firm. It's actually not at all difficult to find the names of people who worked at OTA as principal staff members. All the reports are archived at http://ota.fas.org/ with names on each one. It's a bit harder to match them up with a current profile, bec…

At the same time, I'd prefer people with practical tech experience, not academics who have rarely experienced solving real world problems (as opposed to theory).

Re: Congress is clueless about tech because it killed its tutor

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No one should trust a government agency to be an 'expert' on tech. Moving on.

That's patently silly since the government is "the" expert on much tech that only it has. Who do you think has and maintains our nuclear arsenal? You think the CIA is clueless on tech? Who again was spying on Google's internal network... idiots that don't know anything about tech? Who is performing mass surveillance, idiots that don't know anything about tech?

Re: Congress is clueless about tech because it killed its tutor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As well they should hire qualified people. I don't want "college-dropout Facebook engineers", and the goal of something like the OTA isn't to act as Google's lobbying firm. It's actually not at all difficult to find the names of people who worked at OTA as principal staff members. All the reports are archived at http://ota.fas.org/ with names on each one. It's a bit harder to match them up with a current profile, bec…

At the same time, I'd prefer people with practical tech experience, not academics who have rarely experienced solving real world problems (as opposed to theory).

I doubt that PhDs from Boeing or FFRDCs are going to real strangers to "real-world research problems."

Re: Congress is clueless about tech because it killed its tutor

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"The problem was that the OTA was reality-based and reality has a well-known liberal bias." That's cute. No, actually, it's bureaucrats that have a liberal bias. Meanwhile, in the absence of the OTA, we've been busy building laser weapons and missile interceptors.

You (and Boing Boing) are mischaracterizing what OTA said about the Star Wars program.

They never claimed it would be impossible to shoot down a missile or that any of the technologies involved could not be made to work. Instead, OTA found it was unlikely a program that would be effective against a large scale Soviet first stike could be deployed within the desired timeline.

History has proven them correct.

You can read the actual reports here:

http://fas.org/spp/starwars/ota/

There's a reflexive tendency on HN to dismiss government-directed technology efforts. But a quick look at the advisory panel on the September 1985 OTA ABM report should convince anyone the report authors really did consult with experts in the field:

Guyford Steve, Chairman President, Universities Research Associates

Solomon Buchsbaum Executive Vice President AT&T Bell Labs

Ashton Carter Kennedy School of Government Harvard University

Robert Clem Director of Systems Sciences Sandia National Laboratories

Sidney D. Drell Deputy Director Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Daniel J. Fink President D. J. Fink Associates, Inc.

Richard Garwin IBM Fellow Thomas J. Watson Research Center

Noel Gayler, Admiral, USN (Ret.) American Committee on East-West Accord

Colin Gray President National Institute for Public Policy

George Jeffs President North American Space Operations, Rockwell International

General David Jones, USAF (Ret.) Former Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff

Robert S. McNamara Former President of the World Bank

Michael M. May Associate Director-at-Large Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

H. Alan Pike Program Manager, Space Stations Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.

Frederick Seitz President Emeritus The Rockefeller University

Robert Selden Associate Director for Theoretical and Computational Physics Los Alamos National Laboratory

Marshall D. Shulman Director Harriman Institute for Advanced Study of the Soviet Union

Columbia University Ambassador Gerard C. Smith President Consultants International Group, Inc.

Sayre Stevens Vice President System Planning Corp. Maj. General John Toomay, USAF (Ret.) Consultant

Seymour Zeiberg Vice President Research and Engineering Operations Martin Marietta Aerospace

Re: Congress is clueless about tech because it killed its tutor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the same time, I'd prefer people with practical tech experience, not academics who have rarely experienced solving real world problems (as opposed to theory).

I doubt that PhDs from Boeing or FFRDCs are going to real strangers to "real-world research problems."

At the same time, are they experienced in CRUD apps? Probably not. Solve the right problem with the right people.
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