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Startup Legal Setup Guide

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Re: Startup Legal Setup Guide

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This seems like it's more intended to promote Airtable than actually provide information. I've never heard of Airtable but it doesn't seem to be a good format for long blocks of text.

We used (an earlier version of) this guide for our incorporation, and found it extremely helpful. Airtable as the medium worked well - there are other longform posts out there about the process, but having an actionable checklist of steps, with descriptions for each, was far more helpful for us.

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(IAAL.) While the author is very likely coming from the right place, I find this kind of "legal" advice totally useless——hence the fact that half of this "article" is a disclaimer that you shouldn't bother relying on it. If I were one of the lawyers whose name is attached to this advertorial, I would hasten to get my name removed from it.

Author here, for the sake of constructive criticism, would love to hear why you don't find it useful? The disclaimer is there because, while I tried my best to make sure all info in the guide is accurate, I don't think it's fair or necessary for me to take on legal liability if someone makes (or claims to make) a mistake by using this (free) guide. I certainly hope readers do not interpret this guide as a definitive…

Why don't I find it useful? "Find legal counsel" and "Comply with State-Specific Regulations" are actual line items on your checklist. Your checklist can be reduced to one line item: hire someone who knows what they're doing.

It wouldn't bother me if you were simply sharing your experience in setting up a company, but this article is presented as advice wrapped in a thinly-veiled promotion of your product (and some lawyers/law firms).

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Some day I'm going to write about the boring backoffice mechanics for folks who are doing business on the Internet but do not expect to ride the startup trajectory.

In the meanwhile: LLC incorporation. You'll almost certainly pick an LLC as a solo founder because the costs are lower, the protections are roughly equivalent, and the pass-through nature of the business makes your tax planning easier. You'll make your LLC in your choice of Wyoming or Nevada. Wyoming is institutionally more privacy conscious than Nevada is, which may matter to some of you. ("Do you want your home address trivially available on the Internet?" is a question which gives some entrepreneurs pause. Not wanting that is a totally legitimate reason to incorporate in Wyoming.) Nevada is fairly cheap, has no state income tax and no prospect of attempting to retroactively impose one later on your income, and has a fairly nice portal where you can do the one thing a year they'll require you to do. (Robosign your "annual list" and then pay a few hundred bucks for the privilege of limited liability for another year.)

You do not need to have any connection to the state you incorporate in whatsoever. Full faith and credit clause of the US constitution for the win: all states can create legal entities for anyone which all other states must treat like their own legal entities and, accordingly, states compete with each other to get corporate formations (as a source of revenue and for knock-on economic purposes). Delaware has planted the flag in "We are a very predictable jurisdiction for litigating complex court matters if it comes to that; we're going to charge you for this." Wyoming picked privacy/"low fees low services." Nevada picked "We're cheap and reliably funded by sin taxes."

You will pay taxes anywhere your business has an economic nexus. For almost all of you, this will be "where you do the work that earns the money." Importantly, this is not not not not not where your customers are, where the people paying you money are, where the money actually changes hands, where your corporation is registered, or where your bank account is. If you sell $10,000 of software on the US App Store from a Nevada LLC with a bank account in London but you physically coded the app in Croatia, your sole economic nexus is Croatia. (Run this by an accountant or lawyer if you doubt me, but if they doubt me, I'll offer them 100:1 odds that I'm right.)

Not too much changes about your life after incorporating. You'll want to get a business checking account in the name of the LLC, primarily to start segregating funds for bookkeeping purposes and secondarily for maintaining the corporate veil. You'll register for accounts/leases/etc in the name of the LLC rather than in your personal capacity. You will almost invariably be asked for a personal guarantee for any debt/lease/etc until your business has millions in revenue -- this sucks, but you'll do it. You should get a credit card (doesn't have to be a "business" card) which you use exclusively for business purposes, because this assists in you doing your most important bit of tax planning, which is keeping very, very accurate books regarding business expenses.

You will almost certainly be amazed at the variety of expenses which are legitimate business expenses. There are fairly few bright lines, and navigating the gray area is one of the reasons you will hire an accountant. They will, almost certainly, categorize thousands of dollars of things you thought were personal as business expenses; this is one of their primary functions when working for small businesses. (Examples: 100% of your WSJ subscription; 40~60% of your Internet fees; 100% of your coworking space rent; some percentage of depreciation on your laptop; etc etc.)

In the US, you'll typically file a Schedule C attached to your 1040, showing the revenue of the business, expenses, and net profits. You'll pay taxes on the net profits, and also pay self-employment taxes on them (Schedule SE). Your accountant will identify a variety of tax-saving strategies for you; the most important (after "keep good books!") for most small businesses on HN will be "establish and generously fund a retirement account."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Author here, for the sake of constructive criticism, would love to hear why you don't find it useful? The disclaimer is there because, while I tried my best to make sure all info in the guide is accurate, I don't think it's fair or necessary for me to take on legal liability if someone makes (or claims to make) a mistake by using this (free) guide. I certainly hope readers do not interpret this guide as a definitive…

Why don't I find it useful? "Find legal counsel" and "Comply with State-Specific Regulations" are actual line items on your checklist. Your checklist can be reduced to one line item: hire someone who knows what they're doing. It wouldn't bother me if you were simply sharing your experience in setting up a company, but this article is presented as advice wrapped in a thinly-veiled promotion of your product (and some l…

That's very unfair. The author took the time to share his knowledge about legal issues surrounding startups and, as is customary when legal matters are discussed, he provided a disclaimer to avoid personal liability but that doesn't mean the article is inaccurate. You won't find anyone offering free legal services on a Medium post.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Author here, for the sake of constructive criticism, would love to hear why you don't find it useful? The disclaimer is there because, while I tried my best to make sure all info in the guide is accurate, I don't think it's fair or necessary for me to take on legal liability if someone makes (or claims to make) a mistake by using this (free) guide. I certainly hope readers do not interpret this guide as a definitive…

Why don't I find it useful? "Find legal counsel" and "Comply with State-Specific Regulations" are actual line items on your checklist. Your checklist can be reduced to one line item: hire someone who knows what they're doing. It wouldn't bother me if you were simply sharing your experience in setting up a company, but this article is presented as advice wrapped in a thinly-veiled promotion of your product (and some l…

Agreed with rpgmaker. My experience with the law (IANAL) is that it's sometimes just easier to pull up the books, read the relevant portions yourself, then confirm it with your lawyer for some quick answers. This is what I was doing before having a lawyer and it worked just fine, but having a validation source saved me many, many hours. Simply a hiring a lawyer and somewhat blindly trusting them sounds like poor advice in itself. That said, in an attempt at CYA, please please please just use a damn lawyer.

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Some day I'm going to write about the boring backoffice mechanics for folks who are doing business on the Internet but do not expect to ride the startup trajectory. In the meanwhile: LLC incorporation. You'll almost certainly pick an LLC as a solo founder because the costs are lower, the protections are roughly equivalent, and the pass-through nature of the business makes your tax planning easier. You'll make your LL…

> In the meanwhile: LLC incorporation. You'll almost certainly pick an LLC as a solo founder because the costs are lower

In New York this isn't true

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Ok, this thing is just Marketing to push Airtable. Once you liked the provided info you click on "Copy Base" and voila, Airtable gets a new user.

But I do think that Airtable looks nice. And I appreciate any new approaches to spreadsheets. This space lacks a bit of innovation and the advice seems to be not that bad.

Upvoted.

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Speaking of which, a spreadsheet widget is the worst possible delivery format for the long-form text in this article.

You can expand the long text cells by clicking the expansion arrows that appear in the top right corner of the cell. I would also highly recommend using the full-screen version rather than embed (by clicking "View Larger Version"): https://airtable.com/shrOQ3Gf4Hs3Gvvvc I would also add that, while I'm certainly biased, there is benefit to making this a "cloneable" database that you can then use as a personal checkli…

Now I'm kinda curious, especially since you emphasize the cloneable part: what makes this better than a Google Sheet?

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You can expand the long text cells by clicking the expansion arrows that appear in the top right corner of the cell. I would also highly recommend using the full-screen version rather than embed (by clicking "View Larger Version"): https://airtable.com/shrOQ3Gf4Hs3Gvvvc I would also add that, while I'm certainly biased, there is benefit to making this a "cloneable" database that you can then use as a personal checkli…

Now I'm kinda curious, especially since you emphasize the cloneable part: what makes this better than a Google Sheet?

For starters, 1) File attachments 2) Better mobile UI (Airtable's database records can be displayed as cards on touch devices, whereas a traditional spreadsheet is always a 2d grid). 3) Interactive fields like checkboxes, dropdowns, etc. 4) Ability to expand records into a form detail view for better readability of long text, etc.

Re: Startup Legal Setup Guide

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Some day I'm going to write about the boring backoffice mechanics for folks who are doing business on the Internet but do not expect to ride the startup trajectory. In the meanwhile: LLC incorporation. You'll almost certainly pick an LLC as a solo founder because the costs are lower, the protections are roughly equivalent, and the pass-through nature of the business makes your tax planning easier. You'll make your LL…

> You will pay taxes anywhere your business has an economic nexus. For almost all of you, this will be "where you do the work that earns the money." Importantly, this is not not not not not where your customers are [...]

This seems to be a common belief among entrepreneurs, but all the evidence I have found (and my accountant) point to it not being true, at least not in all states. For example, here is a page from California's FTB web site:

https://www.ftb.ca.gov/businesses/Sales_Factor.shtml

> Jill, a nonresident of California, owns a web design business that she holds as a sole proprietorship. She works from her home out of state but has customers in various states including California. For the 2013 taxable year, Jill's sales receipts from California customers are $300,000 out of the total sales receipts everywhere of $1,000,000. Does Jill have a filing requirement in California?

> Yes, nonresident individuals are taxed on all California source income. Jill's sole proprietorship is carrying on a business in and out of California and will be required to apportion its income to California using UDITPA rules. Under market assignment, sales of services are assigned to California if the purchaser of the service received the benefit of the service in California. Accordingly, $300,000 will be assigned to the California sales factor numerator for Jill's sole proprietorship and Jill would apportion 30% ($300,000 CA sales/$1,000,000 total sales) of its business income from her sole proprietorship to California.

I would love it if you had some evidence you could share that the popular view (you only pay taxes where you do the work) is correct so that I could stop paying taxes in California :)

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