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Steve Miller: The Whole Music Industry Is Fuckin' Gangsters and Crooks

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Re: Steve Miller: The Whole Music Industry Is Fuckin' Gangsters and Crooks

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I know it's trite to say, but it is probably good to be reminded how often people held up as being successful are, often, deeply unhappy. Michael Jordan is another canonical example. To live these lives of unparalleled, almost supernatural greatness, and then end up embittered... The stoics did nothing wrong. EDIT: to clarify, I'm not dismissing Miller's critique at all, I'm noting that someone living, literally, a r…

That's a shitty, smarmy dismissal of what he's trying to say and that he had the stones to say it. Forget about him, what about all the artists the industry has exploited who didn't end up famous and successful?

The stoics would have thought the music industry is terrible. Because it is.

Re: Steve Miller: The Whole Music Industry Is Fuckin' Gangsters and Crooks

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I know it's trite to say, but it is probably good to be reminded how often people held up as being successful are, often, deeply unhappy. Michael Jordan is another canonical example. To live these lives of unparalleled, almost supernatural greatness, and then end up embittered... The stoics did nothing wrong. EDIT: to clarify, I'm not dismissing Miller's critique at all, I'm noting that someone living, literally, a r…

That's a shitty, smarmy dismissal of what he's trying to say and that he had the stones to say it. Forget about him, what about all the artists the industry has exploited who didn't end up famous and successful? The stoics would have thought the music industry is terrible. Because it is.

I am not dismissing him at all. I agree entirely that he is very brave for having said this. I'm simply noting that even a famous rock star, living a literally rock star life, ends up in a horrible environment.

Re: Steve Miller: The Whole Music Industry Is Fuckin' Gangsters and Crooks

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I always thought the age of the internet, especially with modern bandwidths, could be the end of large labels for the music industry (or publishing houses for literature). I understand (to a naive degree) that the labels establish large networks, and complex licensing with public avenues like the radio or concert halls.

It is also interesting that that most self published artists get the semi-derogatory term of "Indie-artist", and that there may even be a public opinion which has been molded into expecting a "quality filter" through labels.

The question I always come to is how big can you get without a label? and will there ever be a day when artists have full creative control of their craft? This would mean that the artist would need to value and understand business practices, distribution methods, contracting, etc.

[edit] and the artists that do appreciate this seem to start labels (see epitaph records or Bad Boy Entertainment)

Re: Steve Miller: The Whole Music Industry Is Fuckin' Gangsters and Crooks

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but you'll ruin my wordplay

The life of a copy editor in the digital age is one rife with peril, so it seems.

In the digital age wouldn't the life of a copy editor be rife with perl?

Re: Steve Miller: The Whole Music Industry Is Fuckin' Gangsters and Crooks

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I know it's trite to say, but it is probably good to be reminded how often people held up as being successful are, often, deeply unhappy. Michael Jordan is another canonical example. To live these lives of unparalleled, almost supernatural greatness, and then end up embittered... The stoics did nothing wrong. EDIT: to clarify, I'm not dismissing Miller's critique at all, I'm noting that someone living, literally, a r…

>The wise man knows that it is better to sit on the banks of a remote mountain stream than to be emperor of the whole world.

-Zhuangzi

Re: Steve Miller: The Whole Music Industry Is Fuckin' Gangsters and Crooks

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I always thought the age of the internet, especially with modern bandwidths, could be the end of large labels for the music industry (or publishing houses for literature). I understand (to a naive degree) that the labels establish large networks, and complex licensing with public avenues like the radio or concert halls. It is also interesting that that most self published artists get the semi-derogatory term of "Indi…

The "Super Artist" level of entertainment requires an army to support marketing, legal issues, mechanical licensing, PR, tours, accountants, video production, publishing...

Only the big labels are prepared to provide this support.

Re: Steve Miller: The Whole Music Industry Is Fuckin' Gangsters and Crooks

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I always thought the age of the internet, especially with modern bandwidths, could be the end of large labels for the music industry (or publishing houses for literature). I understand (to a naive degree) that the labels establish large networks, and complex licensing with public avenues like the radio or concert halls. It is also interesting that that most self published artists get the semi-derogatory term of "Indi…

> and will there ever be a day when artists have full creative control of their craft? This would mean that the artist would need to value and understand business practices, distribution methods, contracting, etc.

Well, probably never. Isn't division of labor one of the main reasons for human advancement? :)

Re: Steve Miller: The Whole Music Industry Is Fuckin' Gangsters and Crooks

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I always thought the age of the internet, especially with modern bandwidths, could be the end of large labels for the music industry (or publishing houses for literature). I understand (to a naive degree) that the labels establish large networks, and complex licensing with public avenues like the radio or concert halls. It is also interesting that that most self published artists get the semi-derogatory term of "Indi…

You've done a strong job of describing what I felt years and years ago, and have come to learn is the lay of the land still in the music business. Labels have done a fantastic job of maintaining their gate-keeper status and of being able to break new artists into the mainstream. What didn't change with the internet is, partially kidding here, that 14 year old girls decide what's going to be popular. Outside of that, it's pretty much table scraps.

But...there are some exceptions!

There are certainly a handful of examples of responding to the last question you pose - re: being independent and achieving mainstream success. The ones that I find the most relevant are CHVRCHES (unsigned, SoundCloud got them attention, eventually had their pick of labels) and Macklemore (independent, used major label distribution services though). Also Skrillex - his label had no interest in his bleep-blonk-screech-BASS DROP tunes and he set it free online and got that avenue going - now he's got his own label and millions in the bank. There are some outlier musicians like Prince who are genuinely contentious with both industry and fan expectations.

I think more and more artists who grow up as 'one-person operations' (think Grimes) will navigate a new business platform. Labels will specialize in these artists, or management teams. Eventually though, there does exist a plateau where it seems inevitable to have to deal with a large entity such as LiveNation or Ticketmaster...neither of which are very well regarded as customer friendly in this day and age - at least not as much as direct-to-fan opportunities. The next 10 years should be interesting both in the US and globally.

Oh, and in my opinion, artists tend to start labels as a compensation mechanism to get more power for their own business enterprise, and potentially profit from the success of others signed (see: Cash Money / Young Money Records).

Re: Steve Miller: The Whole Music Industry Is Fuckin' Gangsters and Crooks

#20
Some people write songs about the music industry sucking. Hotel California is one (I bet). It would be fun to study this idea. Oh, another one could be Don't Download this Song by Weird Al.

Edit: I wonder if Mr. Miller ever tried something like that.

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