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Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy

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Re: Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy

#12

Sorry, I guess I've been living under a rock. What's the context for this?

TL;DR LambdaConf invited a controversial speaker and people got very upset.

The whole story:

LambdaConf accepted a talk by Curtis Yarvin [0] for his work on Urbit [1][2] through a blind selection process. Before announcing the speaker list they realized this could be controversial and wrote about their decision to invite him anyway [3].

There was enormous push back on social media [4, 5], causing a number of sponsors to withdraw. An IndieGogo was set up to raise money for the conference [6] and was funded within 24 hours [7]. Soon after, a number of people co-signed a statement opposing LambdaConf's decision [8].

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

1 - https://github.com/urbit/urbit

2 - http://urbit.org/

3 - http://degoes.net/articles/lambdaconf-inclusion

4 - https://twitter.com/seldo/status/714258138325626880

5 - https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=lambd...

6 - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/save-lambdaconf-and-an-op...

7 - https://twitter.com/ClarkHat/status/716242082696921088

8 - https://statement-on-lambdaconf.github.io/

(edit: formatting)

Re: Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy

#13
I read an FAQ on neo-reactionism and it's totally insane. But I would be fine with the guy lecturing about computers if he knew his stuff. Honestly I find intelligent, rational people who come to radically different conclusions about society to be fascinating.

On the other hand, if Hitler himself was alive and gave a speech on art, I wouldn't want to hear it because of his politics and actions. So clearly there is a spectrum for me, and at some point the politics become so bad I can't stand the person.

Also, by giving this person a speaking role, he becomes more authoritative in all subjects, so it probably is better not to help him. In summary, lots to think about!

Re: Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy

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post #6

How crazy -- I'm vaguely familiar with Curtis' work, and would have never known (or cared) about his political views until the people looking to "no platform" him gave him a platform. Streisand effect, people.

When will people learn that you don't fight a view by attempting to suppress it?

Re: Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy

#15
There's no such thing as "not becoming political". Hosting an event is a political act; so is selling tickets to the event or paying people to help you run it. These acts might be _normal_ but they're still _political_.

When someone says, "I don't want this to get political", what they're really saying is "I'm comfortable with the politics of the status quo and I want things to stay the way they are". Sometimes that's totally fine. In this case it means giving a voice to a racist advocate of slavery.

De Goes can have his conference, but arguing that this isn't a political decision is simply incorrect.

Re: Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy

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Of course, LambdaConf has every right to define its community in the way it sees fit.

While their explanation does have a lot of logical appeal (see: https://www.facebook.com/notes/satnam-singh/dr-spock-vs-dive...), it's important to remember that prospective attendees and speakers also have the right of free association.

The fact is, I do wish to exclude myself from any community that deliberately includes Yarvin and his ilk. I would encourage others to make the same decision. I will happily discuss or debate ideas with them on any topic, in any forum where it makes sense to do so. They are human beings and deserve all the rights and privileges thereof.

But I'm not obligated to drink beer and break bread with them, pretending nothing is wrong.

This isn't a free speech issue, this is a "who do you want in your community" issue. In the light of a community, you can't, and you shouldn't, pull one aspect of a person's character and isolate it from the rest of their identity.

I hope people give me the same treatment. I am more than the content of my technical talks, and so is Yarvin.

Re: Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy

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post #13

I read an FAQ on neo-reactionism and it's totally insane. But I would be fine with the guy lecturing about computers if he knew his stuff. Honestly I find intelligent, rational people who come to radically different conclusions about society to be fascinating. On the other hand, if Hitler himself was alive and gave a speech on art, I wouldn't want to hear it because of his politics and actions. So clearly there is a…

I would love to hear a speech by Hitler. Regardless of his actions, he was a master persuader and accomplished (affected the world) in a decade more than most people couldn't in 1000 years! We could all learn a lot from him - which of course doesn't mean that we would have to use the skills for the same means he did.

Re: Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy

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post #13

I read an FAQ on neo-reactionism and it's totally insane. But I would be fine with the guy lecturing about computers if he knew his stuff. Honestly I find intelligent, rational people who come to radically different conclusions about society to be fascinating. On the other hand, if Hitler himself was alive and gave a speech on art, I wouldn't want to hear it because of his politics and actions. So clearly there is a…

If Hitler were alive and giving a speech about art, I would either expect he were giving a speech within the confines of a prison, or else I would try and tip off the Mossad as to when and where he was speaking. I think the operative difference here is that Hitler actually conspired to kill a few million people, whereas a neoreactionary blogger just spouts kooky stuff on the Internet.

Re: Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy

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post #5

Sorry, I guess I've been living under a rock. What's the context for this?

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Lambdaconf_incident > In March 2016, the organizers of [LambdaConf] announced that they would include neo-reactionary Curtis Yarvin on the program despite widespread protest. --- http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/sjws-urge-programmi... > LambdaConf, an annual gathering of programmers in Boulder, Colorado, has faced calls from social justice warriors to cancel a talk by Curtis…

I appreciate the fact that you posted links to both perspectives on the issue.

Re: Final Statement on the LambdaConf Controversy

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Apropos of anything else, the 'lawyer' example is a bad one, and contrived for the purpose of example.

If an attorney "knows" that their client is guilty, they are duty-bound as officers of the court to make that knowledge known.

Obviously that doesn't happen as much as it should...

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