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Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...

This is one of the least appropriate use of Betteridge's Law of Headlines. The article starts with 'yes' and waters it down to 'maybe' and a real discussion could be had about whether or not the ends justifies the means, especially when it comes to criminal acts revealing dubious but legal acts.

Agreed on the appropriateness of using Betteridge's law. MR's headline could have instead been 'Was it RIGHT to hack and leak the Panama Papers?'

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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>Yet somehow many of us approve when the victims are wealthy and higher status, as is the case with the Panama Papers. Furthermore most of those individuals probably did nothing illegal, but rather they were trying to minimize their tax burden through (mostly) legal shell corporations.

This is a scary thing that has been building over the last 10 years. Wealthy people are vilified for being wealthy even when they play by the rules. You saw this a lot with Occupy Wall Street and you hear similar rhetoric from Bernie Sanders supporters condemning the "donor class" and being angry at banks for being big regardless of anything else. But these people do exactly the same thing you and I do. I take advantage of the tax system when I deduct education expenses. I lobby the government when I contribute to the EFF. I want the companies I invest in to be as big and as profitable as possible. If I had more money, those things would simply be in higher quantities. That is the only thing most of these people are guilty of, doing the same thing we all do but at a much higher magnitude. We can recognize that magnitude difference is a problem and want to shrink it without resorting to vilifying people who simply play the hand they are dealt.

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...

This is one of the least appropriate use of Betteridge's Law of Headlines. The article starts with 'yes' and waters it down to 'maybe' and a real discussion could be had about whether or not the ends justifies the means, especially when it comes to criminal acts revealing dubious but legal acts.

No, it is entirely appropriate to invoke Betteridge to illustrate how TFA is contradicted by its own headline. This is a common use of Betteridge, and is indeed the only interesting way to use it.

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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>Yet somehow many of us approve when the victims are wealthy and higher status, as is the case with the Panama Papers. Furthermore most of those individuals probably did nothing illegal, but rather they were trying to minimize their tax burden through (mostly) legal shell corporations. This is a scary thing that has been building over the last 10 years. Wealthy people are vilified for being wealthy even when they pla…

>Wealthy people are vilified for being wealthy even when they play by the rules.

Playing within the rules is irrelevant when you're the one who gets to write the rules.

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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Slowly but surely, I'm coming to the position that "hacking and leaking" is never "wrong". It's a form of speech, and I'm a free speech absolutist. Let's stipulate that some things are illegal and not "wrong", just as others are legal and "wrong". It's not clear to me, however, that this case actually is a hack, in the sense that whoever released this material might have had legitimate access to it as a part of doing…

So should the police do the same? No need for search warrants anymore...

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the least appropriate use of Betteridge's Law of Headlines. The article starts with 'yes' and waters it down to 'maybe' and a real discussion could be had about whether or not the ends justifies the means, especially when it comes to criminal acts revealing dubious but legal acts.

Agreed on the appropriateness of using Betteridge's law. MR's headline could have instead been 'Was it RIGHT to hack and leak the Panama Papers?'

Betteridge's law is totally appropriate : His point was that people heading an article with a question intend to defend a position while not immediately associating with it.

And that's totally what this article does.

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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Slowly but surely, I'm coming to the position that "hacking and leaking" is never "wrong". It's a form of speech, and I'm a free speech absolutist. Let's stipulate that some things are illegal and not "wrong", just as others are legal and "wrong". It's not clear to me, however, that this case actually is a hack, in the sense that whoever released this material might have had legitimate access to it as a part of doing…

>Slowly but surely, I'm coming to the position that "hacking and leaking" is never "wrong". It's a form of speech, and I'm a free speech absolutist.

What about the celebrity iCloud hack? That seems like a cut and dry case of "wrong" and should prevent most of us from using words like "never" and "absolutist". Once that is established, it becomes a question of where that line falls.

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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Slowly but surely, I'm coming to the position that "hacking and leaking" is never "wrong". It's a form of speech, and I'm a free speech absolutist. Let's stipulate that some things are illegal and not "wrong", just as others are legal and "wrong". It's not clear to me, however, that this case actually is a hack, in the sense that whoever released this material might have had legitimate access to it as a part of doing…

So should the police do the same? No need for search warrants anymore...

Of course not. Police are employed by society. Unfettered police will destroy society. We would never choose to fund our own destruction, so police have to follow rules.

Are there really educated adults who think that we should accept any behavior whatsoever from our police?

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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>Yet somehow many of us approve when the victims are wealthy and higher status, as is the case with the Panama Papers. Furthermore most of those individuals probably did nothing illegal, but rather they were trying to minimize their tax burden through (mostly) legal shell corporations. This is a scary thing that has been building over the last 10 years. Wealthy people are vilified for being wealthy even when they pla…

if you buy a set of rules, and then "play by the rules," I dont think you deserve kudos.
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