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Re: Apply HN: Ram Accelerator Supergun Space Launch

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I am deeply skeptical at the notion that electronics payloads can withstand 5k to 10k g's of loading. A one gram component would experience 100 newtons of loading. That's over 20 pounds of force exerted on something the mass of a paperclip. These aren't your nice, typical static loads, either. Dynamic loading tends to not play nicely with brittle materials, so solar panels will fracture. I would be extremely concerne…

Addressed comprehensively in http://www.tbfg.org/papers/Ram%20Accelerator%20Technical%20R... (pages 12-14).

The load on a dropped consumer electronics device falling onto a hard surface at deceleration is actually pretty close.

It actually isn't even 10k G for a 1m diameter ram accelerator; that was for a light gas gun of smaller diameter and length). More like 2k

Re: Apply HN: Ram Accelerator Supergun Space Launch

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1) What timelines are you looking for a prototype device?

2) What are your rough upfront cost estimates for the timeline you are looking at? IS this cost based on building-from-scratch type of approach or buy off-the-shelf-components-and-repurpose kind of approach?

3) Which country are you looking at realistically? (Some of the countries you have outlined are battling big economic, political and piracy issues)

4) What container materials are looking at - considering they have to withstand massive G-forces plus friction heat (air or inner cannon surface) ?

Re: Apply HN: Ram Accelerator Supergun Space Launch

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Can you aim the cannon? If not, you would be limited in the orbits that you could access without some sort of on orbit propulsion. Is that true?

You can't aim the cannon itself; you can adjust trajectory using the second-stage rocket. It's essentially just a launcher for one set of orbits, though. The actual launcher cost is probably not that significant ($100mm?) once you've built one; you can build 10 in different locations/orbits.

For the thing I want to do, one launch position works (I think) for LEO comsat constellation (hundreds/thousands of <2y lifespan satellites).

Re: Apply HN: Ram Accelerator Supergun Space Launch

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1) What timelines are you looking for a prototype device? 2) What are your rough upfront cost estimates for the timeline you are looking at? IS this cost based on building-from-scratch type of approach or buy off-the-shelf-components-and-repurpose kind of approach? 3) Which country are you looking at realistically? (Some of the countries you have outlined are battling big economic, political and piracy issues) 4) Wha…

1) ~6mo to recruit a team and agree on the broad plan. During that a combination of more comprehensive literature survey, meeting with the experts, investigating university research programs solving key problems which could be funded, etc. Concrete deliverables around a well communicated-to-public plan, simulation, etc., both of the launcher and application/payload.

Probably (to be altered): ~1y to recreate the subscale systems used at various universities, set up basic capabilities, etc. Obviously faster if I can just work with UW or one of the other groups. Another...2-3y to build the first subscale prototype capable of putting 1 gram into space (without circularization), but with a rocket second (and maybe third) stage.

Parallel development of the ~1m scale projectile, boost rocket, circularizing rocket.

Parallel development of LEO satcom payloads -- initial payloads inert, then maybe some remote sensing/beacon/etc. payloads, and suboptimal but research/commercial satellites. For a full LEO 1-3Mbps to the handheld terminal constellation, need frequency licensing, a lot of consumer electronics and specialized electronics, etc.; it used to be a 5-10y project even given standard satellites -- it probably could be done in 2-4y today. One huge advantage of low-lifespan LEO: you can rev the satellite design every month.

(Another option is doing the LEO satcom stuff in parallel using a conventional launcher at lower density.)

The full production scale system to orbit is probably ~5y after the first subscale to space.

(My real problem here is I have another much more practical startup which is unrelated, and in an area where I'm an expert, unlike this, where I'm merely interested. I'd rather do that, make money from it, then build this when I can at least contribute 3-5mm to it myself. So that pushes all of this out at least 3y and hopefully 5-10y. If I suddenly have a lot of cash, I'd probably be able to pay to have some of the earlier engineering work done on this, and if I had the right team, could probably just be an investor/boardmember.)

3) Kenya is probably the win (definitely Horn of Africa or South America; nowhere else is economically viable). Ethiopia also works. It would be done with full US ITAR compliance -- physical custody of the site, local construction and education, but no weapons proliferation. Ethiopia and Kenya are pretty solid US allies. I'd expect there would be a Bn or greater of host nation military/police assigned for outer security.

4) Ablative coatings, carbon/carbon structure. Only getting cheaper/better. I don't know much about the state of the art here, but it has been feasible for decades using older tech.

Re: Apply HN: Ram Accelerator Supergun Space Launch

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1) What timelines are you looking for a prototype device? 2) What are your rough upfront cost estimates for the timeline you are looking at? IS this cost based on building-from-scratch type of approach or buy off-the-shelf-components-and-repurpose kind of approach? 3) Which country are you looking at realistically? (Some of the countries you have outlined are battling big economic, political and piracy issues) 4) Wha…

1) ~6mo to recruit a team and agree on the broad plan. During that a combination of more comprehensive literature survey, meeting with the experts, investigating university research programs solving key problems which could be funded, etc. Concrete deliverables around a well communicated-to-public plan, simulation, etc., both of the launcher and application/payload. Probably (to be altered): ~1y to recreate the subsc…

Thanks for the detailed reply.
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