Too bad the city of Charlotte was the city that passed the law in the first place. So you're taking a stand against NC by hurting Charlotte who was just screwed over by the state gov too.
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#12Absolutely shameful for PayPal. This is not about equality and inclusion, but rather about using government violence to force people to support that which they oppose. A black baker should not be required to bake a cake for the KKK; a homosexual florist should not be required to provide flowers to the Westboro Baptist Church; neither should a Christian baker or florist or software developer be forced to employ his ar…
But PayPal should be required to exist in NC?
Oh, PayPal may do whatever they want, including advocating for the violent coercion of conscientious objectors, but I won't applaud them for doing that.
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#13The law requires men to use the men's room, and women to use the women's room. I don't see the problem with that. If it's really an issue, why can't PayPal just put a third bathroom in its facility for any gender?
The law also bars cities from protecting LGBT rights, and bars individuals of any of the remaining protected classes for suing if they're discriminated against in the first place--effectively gutting the entire antidiscrimination law. Calling this "the bathroom bill" was a shrewd marketing move on the legislature's side, but there are some really strong reasons to condemn this bill even if you do agree with the bathroom part.
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#14Absolutely shameful for PayPal. This is not about equality and inclusion, but rather about using government violence to force people to support that which they oppose. A black baker should not be required to bake a cake for the KKK; a homosexual florist should not be required to provide flowers to the Westboro Baptist Church; neither should a Christian baker or florist or software developer be forced to employ his ar…
That would be interesting if it were in any way relevant to what HB2 were about.
* it overturns a local law regarding who can use a bathroom, and removes the ability for anyone but the state to legislate that (takes power away from cities and counties)
* it removes the ability of city and counties to enforce hiring standards on government contractors (minimum wage, discrimination practices, safety standards) in any way whatsoever.
* it effectively undoes the state employment discrimination laws for all classes of employees. You have to file discrimination charges in federal courts (of which their are fewer, have higher filing fees, and shorter windows to file under federal law).
Since you seem generally ignorant of the law, this is a good explanation :http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/ar...
It is particularly deplorable that they demonized transsexuals to pass the less popular/otherwise more difficult to pass portions of the bill. It was clearly just a way of threatening people in primaries if they didn't run against the bill that was passed in a highly unusual emergency session.
But... assuming you know all this now, what you propose is shameful. PayPal is under no obligation to 1) not have ethics/standards at a corporate level or 2) hire people and open facilities in a state it doesn't want to do business in. The bakers/florists can do whatever they want (and could before/after this bill), but they cannot benefit from the payroll taxes collected by NC from the PayPal employees that will now be hired elsewhere.
Shame on you for either not thinking about your argument or being dishonest. It's an important issue and should be distracted from/intentionally obfuscated.
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#15The law requires men to use the men's room, and women to use the women's room. I don't see the problem with that. If it's really an issue, why can't PayPal just put a third bathroom in its facility for any gender?
What is a man?
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#16Absolutely shameful for PayPal. This is not about equality and inclusion, but rather about using government violence to force people to support that which they oppose. A black baker should not be required to bake a cake for the KKK; a homosexual florist should not be required to provide flowers to the Westboro Baptist Church; neither should a Christian baker or florist or software developer be forced to employ his ar…
There is a difference here, which I think you're aware of, but ignoring.
The legal concept that we're discussing here is something called a protected class. Protected classes are generally things that are intrinsic to who you are--age, skin color, gender, and so on. While I am aware that some people do not agree with this statement, the majority, both within the medical community and outside it, acknowledge at this point that you do not "decide" to be gay; you are gay. Just like I do not decide to be white, a man, or have blond hair. Conversely, you absolutely do decide to be a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, or a member of the KKK; those are views you are taking that are not inherently something you cannot change. These can and should be treated differently, and we do treat them that way in law.
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#19Absolutely shameful for PayPal. This is not about equality and inclusion, but rather about using government violence to force people to support that which they oppose. A black baker should not be required to bake a cake for the KKK; a homosexual florist should not be required to provide flowers to the Westboro Baptist Church; neither should a Christian baker or florist or software developer be forced to employ his ar…
What is your point? That being awful is ok? This is a religious thing in this case so a government should not be in the business of protecting one religion or any religious belief - or we should discuss how far to go with it - this ... is too far
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#20Great political move on PayPals part. And good social move to put pressure on the politics of NC. But... This is mostly for show. If they really meant it they would not do business in Uganda, DRC, Kazakhstan, etc. places where it's de jure illegal to be out as LGBT. So, while the side effect of their PR is good, it's more or less a side effect of PR for them. I'll believe their intentions when the move out of all pla…
I don't think it is just for show. If they'd gone ahead and set up an office as planned in North Carolina, it'd mean their employees working there would've been directly affected by the law in question. As far as I know, Paypal don't have offices in Uganda, DRC, Kazakhstan, etc and they're still doing business with North Carolina, just not willing to set up an office there and force LGBT folks to live and work somewhere with such hostile laws in order to work for them.