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Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Post by laxentasken » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 10:34 AM UTC

chinathrow wrote: post #9

elthran wrote: post #4

I wonder how much more of this sort of thing has to go on before the media begins widespread use of the word "dictator" for Erdogan? Illegal criticism, seizing opposition media, violent oppression of minorities, potential election shenanigans - I can imagine next he'll appoint himself President for Life and rename the it the People's Republic of Turkey. I feel the same thing applies to Putin, but we'll never see the…

This. And they want to join the EU...!

And why wouldnt they? What really bugs me is that probably will be let into EU.

Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Post by egeozcan » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 10:34 AM UTC

thirdsun wrote: post #5

As a german I really have to wonder what's wrong with our government if we continue to cozy up to Erdogan's turkey. I really don't think having turkey as a migration buffer is worth paying the price of making the european union look like a club you can buy your way into regardless of ethics. What's the use of values if we're starting to ignore them so easily?

I'm a Turkish expat (read: immigrant) working in Germany as a software engineer since 7 years.

This situation disturbs me two folds: 1) For the reasons you mentioned already, 2) The power gained through this dirty game being used to suppress the already heavily weakened opposition further in my once democratic country (However, I feel more attached to Germany, to be honest).

Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Post by egeozcan » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 10:37 AM UTC

meric wrote: post #8

elthran wrote: post #4

I wonder how much more of this sort of thing has to go on before the media begins widespread use of the word "dictator" for Erdogan? Illegal criticism, seizing opposition media, violent oppression of minorities, potential election shenanigans - I can imagine next he'll appoint himself President for Life and rename the it the People's Republic of Turkey. I feel the same thing applies to Putin, but we'll never see the…

Putin is quite the authoritarian, yet I don't think you can compare Erdogan to Putin. They are not even on the same level.

Same hunger for power, different stages of progress.

Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Post by joantune » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 10:39 AM UTC

elthran wrote: post #4

I wonder how much more of this sort of thing has to go on before the media begins widespread use of the word "dictator" for Erdogan? Illegal criticism, seizing opposition media, violent oppression of minorities, potential election shenanigans - I can imagine next he'll appoint himself President for Life and rename the it the People's Republic of Turkey. I feel the same thing applies to Putin, but we'll never see the…

Turkey has been useful for the Germans to keep Merkel from fulfilling the promise that she doesn't want fulfilled: which is, getting 800000 refugees there. Why? partially because they might have an integration problem (there was criticism of immigrants before) why is that? either intolerance, a bad integration program, too many immigrants, or a mixture of all those. So, for now, Turkey is useful, and the EU heads of state play along with a dictator

Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Post by elthran » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 10:39 AM UTC

meric wrote: post #8

elthran wrote: post #4

I wonder how much more of this sort of thing has to go on before the media begins widespread use of the word "dictator" for Erdogan? Illegal criticism, seizing opposition media, violent oppression of minorities, potential election shenanigans - I can imagine next he'll appoint himself President for Life and rename the it the People's Republic of Turkey. I feel the same thing applies to Putin, but we'll never see the…

Putin is quite the authoritarian, yet I don't think you can compare Erdogan to Putin. They are not even on the same level.

I agree they're not on the same level - but I think this is more Putin have a superior intellect and grasp of subtlety and Realpolitik than Erdogan. I'm fully expecting Putin to pull the old President/Prime Minister switcheroo again in 2024, after winning the 2018 election.

Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Post by Mithaldu » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 10:39 AM UTC

Something i haven't seen mentioned much is that the tv station this show is on, is a public broadcasting station paid for with taxes via the german government. While it turns out there are laws in place that ensure the government cannot influence program, it is fairly easy to understand how Erdogan could take this combination of being mocked by a state tv station wrongly, and get the impression that contacting the ambassador is the right step.

Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Post by froh42 » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 10:39 AM UTC

The satire show is reacting with more satire. Extra 3 made Mr. Erdogan employee of the month.

http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/extra_3/extra-3-Der-Ir...

Oh and the song with english subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2e2yHjc_mc

Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Post by return0 » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 10:41 AM UTC

thirdsun wrote: post #5

As a german I really have to wonder what's wrong with our government if we continue to cozy up to Erdogan's turkey. I really don't think having turkey as a migration buffer is worth paying the price of making the european union look like a club you can buy your way into regardless of ethics. What's the use of values if we're starting to ignore them so easily?

It's still a long way for turkey to join the EU. You don't want to alienate the turks against the EU however. It's one of the few relatively peaceful muslim countries in the region and still very much looking westernwards. Erdogan is also alienating his own people so hopefully he won't be there for long.

Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Post by mschuster91 » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 10:42 AM UTC

Mithaldu wrote: post #16

Something i haven't seen mentioned much is that the tv station this show is on, is a public broadcasting station paid for with taxes via the german government. While it turns out there are laws in place that ensure the government cannot influence program, it is fairly easy to understand how Erdogan could take this combination of being mocked by a state tv station wrongly, and get the impression that contacting the am…

> is a public broadcasting station paid for with taxes via the german government

Not exactly. Germans have to pay the Rundfunkabgabe which directly funds the TV stations, it's not a position in the government's bookkeeping.

Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Post by joantune » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 10:42 AM UTC

franzpeterstein wrote: post #2

why show me nyt on my smartphone a login, but on desktop nothin'?

because of a 'nytimes protection' that only allows you to read 10 articles/month. You're supposed to be a 'hacker' so ask yourself, how does the WWW allows one to be tracked (don't think of the more advanced methods [HSTS, WebGL and the sort] think of how the actual vintage WWW protocol allows one to do that).

PS: for a quick solution, use incognito mode.