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Re: Outer Space Treaty

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It is unlikely this would ever be enforceable once there are permanent settlements on the moon or elsewhere as they could always secede from the UN and any country they were once involved with. Once they claimed independence, weaponizing orbital equipment would be the only real way to displace them (which would also violate the treaty).

It is more likely to end up like The Expanse series where Mars and then the other planets claim independence from Earth.

Re: Outer Space Treaty

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until somebody manages to set up a long term camp on the Moon. It's the nature of humanity.

I doubt the Moon-Colony Lobby will have much pull with local governments.

The real question is if the local governments will have any reach...

Re: Outer Space Treaty

#13

> The treaty explicitly forbids any government from claiming a celestial resource such as the Moon or a planet, claiming that they are the common heritage of mankind. Interesting that this applies in outer space, but not on Earth...

> Interesting that this applies in outer space, but not on Earth...

To be fair, this also applies to Antarctica. And of course, the rest of the world was already claimed by the time we truly had a 'globalized' world.

Re: Outer Space Treaty

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Given that no one has real "people based" access to anything beyond earth, I find it incredibly egotistical to have a space treaty. I think perhaps it is driven more from "If anyone gets there before me I still want a piece of it if they get there before me"

I have no doubt that once a nation, Company, top 1% elite get somewhere out there in space, their language will change and they will say it belongs to them.

Look at Antartica ... it has already been divided up into regions more or less belonging to different nations despite the retoric.

Re: Outer Space Treaty

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It is unlikely this would ever be enforceable once there are permanent settlements on the moon or elsewhere as they could always secede from the UN and any country they were once involved with. Once they claimed independence, weaponizing orbital equipment would be the only real way to displace them (which would also violate the treaty). It is more likely to end up like The Expanse series where Mars and then the other…

It would be foolish to declare independence before being self-supporting, which is a very long way in the future.

Re: Outer Space Treaty

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt the Moon-Colony Lobby will have much pull with local governments.

The real question is if the local governments will have any reach...

The reverse trajectory though is significantly simpler.[0]

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_driver#Mass_drivers_as_we...

Re: Outer Space Treaty

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i would love to see an action movie where high technology billionaire squatters on the moon are nuked by a soveriegn nation for disobeying the terms for an 'international space treaty' that was created by soveriegn nations themselves UNABLE to colonize the moon with their old government technology.

if you cannot join em or regulate'm , nuke em .

that would make a great action sci fi movie.

worlds billionaire moon colonizers versus icbm nuclear capable nations i.e. the ameri-china russindian british alliance.

Re: Outer Space Treaty

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post #15

It is unlikely this would ever be enforceable once there are permanent settlements on the moon or elsewhere as they could always secede from the UN and any country they were once involved with. Once they claimed independence, weaponizing orbital equipment would be the only real way to displace them (which would also violate the treaty). It is more likely to end up like The Expanse series where Mars and then the other…

It would be foolish to declare independence before being self-supporting, which is a very long way in the future.

Like fully half-generation away?

It's really hard to make predictions of that sort, I think.

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