Oracle should pay Google for using Java in Android and keeping the language somewhere around edge of hip and cool. I wonder how long it will be before Google flips to Go or JavaScript for Android.
Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android
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Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android
#12That's the same amount they had thrown at Sun Microsystems.
Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android
#13afaik, the real issue is that the dalvik-vm is api compatible with oracle(sun)-jvm. iirc, api is not 'copyrightable' which seems to suggest that it might not be so good for oracle. but then again, cases like these depend a lot on proficiency of presiding judges. wasn't there an earlier judge, who learned some elementary programming while preparing for this case, and who ended up favoring google...
If it were api compatible Java Android wouldn't be the second coming of J++, where apparently thanks to some strange events it is ok for Google to fork Java, break WORA where even many Java 6 libraries cannot run on Android, not to mention about later versions, and some devs seem to think it is ok.
While with Microsoft everyone went out with their pitchforks.
Android Java is nothing more than Google's J++.
Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android
#14Can't we tell Oracle to S a D already ?
Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android
#15Oracle should pay Google for using Java in Android and keeping the language somewhere around edge of hip and cool. I wonder how long it will be before Google flips to Go or JavaScript for Android.
It will never happen.
In spite all of this, Android Team has given zero support for anything other than Java on Android, even for its own languages.
The NDK is anemic, because "In general, you should only use the NDK if it is essential to your app—never because you simply prefer to program in C/C++. When examining whether or not you should develop in native code, think about your requirements and see if the Android framework APIs provide the functionality that you need."
http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html
And the Go and Dart teams had to work on their own even for the NDK integration.
The results of their work aren't even described in any of the official Android documentation sites.
Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android
#16afaik, the real issue is that the dalvik-vm is api compatible with oracle(sun)-jvm. iirc, api is not 'copyrightable' which seems to suggest that it might not be so good for oracle. but then again, cases like these depend a lot on proficiency of presiding judges. wasn't there an earlier judge, who learned some elementary programming while preparing for this case, and who ended up favoring google...
If it were api compatible Java Android wouldn't be the second coming of J++, where apparently thanks to some strange events it is ok for Google to fork Java, break WORA where even many Java 6 libraries cannot run on Android, not to mention about later versions, and some devs seem to think it is ok. While with Microsoft everyone went out with their pitchforks. Android Java is nothing more than Google's J++.
J++ got into trouble for trademark issues because MS called their incompatible implementation Java(TM) and caused brand confusion. Android does not do this.
Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android
#17Oracle should pay Google for using Java in Android and keeping the language somewhere around edge of hip and cool. I wonder how long it will be before Google flips to Go or JavaScript for Android.
It will never happen. In spite all of this, Android Team has given zero support for anything other than Java on Android, even for its own languages. The NDK is anemic, because "In general, you should only use the NDK if it is essential to your app—never because you simply prefer to program in C/C++. When examining whether or not you should develop in native code, think about your requirements and see if the Android f…
Never say never, that's what I thought about Apple and objective-C, and they just invented a new language for it.
True, it runs in the same runtime, but it does allow them to slowly move away from 20 years of history. Mind you, the obj-C runtime / Foundation isn't badly set up at all, I'd argue it's better than the Java SDK.
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#19I was thoroughly impressed with the judge who presided over the last ruling -- IIRC he went so far as to learn at least the basics of Java to the point where I remember being impressed by the insight of the questions he posed. There are subsets of law one can specialize in ranging from medical malpractice to obscure patent litigation, but as far as I know there are no factors linking a presiding judge to a specific s…
Judge Alsup has a long history of handling technical cases. He's no dummy.
I'm aware. I was making a larger critique w/r/t the justice system especially concerning higher level court decisions and the justices (more likely, their clerks) who draft opinions.
Re: Oracle wants $9.3B for Google’s use of Java in Android
#20Oracle should pay Google for using Java in Android and keeping the language somewhere around edge of hip and cool. I wonder how long it will be before Google flips to Go or JavaScript for Android.
Right ? If they keep putting Google under fire for the use of Java, they will only accelerate the process of Google moving away from Java (which is a huge task mind you) and as a result Java will loose a lot of relevance.