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Re: Buying groceries for rich people, I realized upward mobility is largely a myth

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I think this article is important and useful, but the title she chose is misleading. The content has absolutely nothing to do with higher education, or either correlative or causative connection to her employment with Instacart. Social mobility is an interesting research area, and it's important to be aware that most people who claim bootstrapping out of poverty is easy are the folks who've never been in poverty or w…

Did people stop hiring plumbers? It's difficult in North America to become a millionaire, but it's pretty trivial to escape poverty. What I often find is people would rather be poor than sell their skills to the highest bidder, eg. I know welders who refuse $60/hr jobs because they dislike the oil industry. Or train for jobs that actually pay, like plumbing.

I don't know what it's like the US, but in the UK becoming a plumber is a long way from "pretty trivial."

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2010/may/15/fast-track-plum...

Re: Buying groceries for rich people, I realized upward mobility is largely a myth

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After reading that article, I realize how much truth there is to the old adage that, with a good article, you delete more than you save. This article feels like an interesting and thought provoking topic, but if it's there, it's hard to pinpoint while wading through the biography of half the author's family.

Twenty three paragraphs but no message.

Re: Buying groceries for rich people, I realized upward mobility is largely a myth

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I think this article is important and useful, but the title she chose is misleading. The content has absolutely nothing to do with higher education, or either correlative or causative connection to her employment with Instacart. Social mobility is an interesting research area, and it's important to be aware that most people who claim bootstrapping out of poverty is easy are the folks who've never been in poverty or w…

Did people stop hiring plumbers? It's difficult in North America to become a millionaire, but it's pretty trivial to escape poverty. What I often find is people would rather be poor than sell their skills to the highest bidder, eg. I know welders who refuse $60/hr jobs because they dislike the oil industry. Or train for jobs that actually pay, like plumbing.

I don't think "trivial" is quite the word you're looking for. This article doesn't really address that point, but "escaping poverty" isn't trivial. If poverty simply meant lack of money but all else were held equal, your claim would be more accurate, but would mean very little (e.g., was Elon Musk "poor" during the time when all of his net worth was wrapped up in trying to get Tesla and SpaceX off the ground?).

Poverty is pretty complicated. Escaping it is too.

Re: Buying groceries for rich people, I realized upward mobility is largely a myth

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The topic itself is worth discussing. However I'm not actually sure why this specific article was the one being picked for a second chance.

It's one long life story (stories?), and there is nothing in it supporting either the title or subtitle. Yes, her upbringing was bad, but I wanted to know what happened personally to her after graduating that she's where she is now. Or even better: what exactly could have helped her (by government or society) getting to where she want to be in life? Those details are no where to be found.

And I'd like to hear others' opinion on this, but I don't consider her writing to be good. Maybe if she want to be a writer, that has something to do with it?

Re: Buying groceries for rich people, I realized upward mobility is largely a myth

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After reading that article, I realize how much truth there is to the old adage that, with a good article, you delete more than you save. This article feels like an interesting and thought provoking topic, but if it's there, it's hard to pinpoint while wading through the biography of half the author's family. Twenty three paragraphs but no message.

Twenty three paragraphs but no message.

The message is "tax the rich".

Re: Buying groceries for rich people, I realized upward mobility is largely a myth

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I think this article is important and useful, but the title she chose is misleading. The content has absolutely nothing to do with higher education, or either correlative or causative connection to her employment with Instacart. Social mobility is an interesting research area, and it's important to be aware that most people who claim bootstrapping out of poverty is easy are the folks who've never been in poverty or w…

Did people stop hiring plumbers? It's difficult in North America to become a millionaire, but it's pretty trivial to escape poverty. What I often find is people would rather be poor than sell their skills to the highest bidder, eg. I know welders who refuse $60/hr jobs because they dislike the oil industry. Or train for jobs that actually pay, like plumbing.

Please explain how you believe its pretty trivial to escape poverty? A grossly ignorant statement that.

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I find it amusing that one of Instacart's competitors, TaskRabbit, is currently blanketing the NYC subway system with ads that say "We do chores. You live life." The implication being, at least the way I read it, that they consider their workforce to be perhaps slightly less than human.

I'm struggling to understand how you can possibly jump from "we do chores; you live life" to "our workers are subhuman".

Are you saying that only subhumans do chores?

Re: Buying groceries for rich people, I realized upward mobility is largely a myth

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I find it amusing that one of Instacart's competitors, TaskRabbit, is currently blanketing the NYC subway system with ads that say "We do chores. You live life." The implication being, at least the way I read it, that they consider their workforce to be perhaps slightly less than human.

Yes, they are all over the financial district in SF. They are odious, especially in contrast to the squalor and desperation of the surroundings (Bus stops full of the homeless and the working poor). Very American Psycho.

Re: Buying groceries for rich people, I realized upward mobility is largely a myth

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After reading that article, I realize how much truth there is to the old adage that, with a good article, you delete more than you save. This article feels like an interesting and thought provoking topic, but if it's there, it's hard to pinpoint while wading through the biography of half the author's family. Twenty three paragraphs but no message.

Twenty three paragraphs but no message. The message is "tax the rich".

Which is the wrong message, but that's what happens in constant class warfare society. They screw us we screw them, and on and on it goes.

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I think this article is important and useful, but the title she chose is misleading. The content has absolutely nothing to do with higher education, or either correlative or causative connection to her employment with Instacart. Social mobility is an interesting research area, and it's important to be aware that most people who claim bootstrapping out of poverty is easy are the folks who've never been in poverty or w…

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