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So Where Else in the World Can You Get 1 Gbps to the Home?

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Re: So Where Else in the World Can You Get 1 Gbps to the Home?

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Post by jsz0 »

pavs wrote: post #7
__david__ wrote: post #3

What I want to know is how symmetric it is. 1gb/s down is great, don't get me wrong, but can I get 1 gb/s up too? That would make me happy. :)

I am curious. Is there any technical reason why you cant have the same high up/down speed? Is it more expensive? If Google provides a service with a high upload speed, I can see myself hosting my own server from home. Crappy upload speed is the only thing stopping me from hosting servers myself from my home line.

PON FTTH is a shared medium typically being split 32 or 64 ways so there is some over subscription to consider but for the most part there are no major technical limitations to offering symmetrical speeds. For cable ISPs there are a few problems: The amount usable of return/upstream spectrum on a cable plant is traditionally much lower than the amount of forward/downstream DOCSIS bandwidth. Until DOCSIS 3 there was no cost effective way to utilize all of the available spectrum anyway. DOCSIS 3 introduces upstream channel bonding and pushes forward with SCDMA modulation which, in theory, makes the lower/noisier spectrum under 20Mhz usable. Some cable ISPs are planning for more return spectrum space (50-75Mhz) which also solves the problem. The big hardware players in that space are lagging behind a bit on upstream bonding but it should be available soon. (it's already out there in limited deployments)

Re: So Where Else in the World Can You Get 1 Gbps to the Home?

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Post by johnyzee »

pistoriusp wrote: post #9

What's the general connection speed of everyone on HN? Does anyone have an insane connection? Mine is 4Mbit/s in South Africa, we're getting 8Mbit/s soon and possibly 10Mbit/s. It's pretty expensive; ~$200 p/m for an shaped and uncapped connection.

I probably have one of the better home connections in Copenhagen, at 50 mbit/s for $12 monthly.

In real world use it normally pulls app. 5-6 MB per second off the general internet.

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Post by Devilboy »

pistoriusp wrote: post #9

What's the general connection speed of everyone on HN? Does anyone have an insane connection? Mine is 4Mbit/s in South Africa, we're getting 8Mbit/s soon and possibly 10Mbit/s. It's pretty expensive; ~$200 p/m for an shaped and uncapped connection.

Most people I know here in Sydney pays about $100 per month for between 5 and 20Mb/s. Download limits are around 20-100GB per month.

At our office we pay something like $2k for a business grade 100Mb/s symmetrical uncapped.

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Post by pmjordan »

pistoriusp wrote: post #9

What's the general connection speed of everyone on HN? Does anyone have an insane connection? Mine is 4Mbit/s in South Africa, we're getting 8Mbit/s soon and possibly 10Mbit/s. It's pretty expensive; ~$200 p/m for an shaped and uncapped connection.

I'm getting 8Mbit/s down, 768kbit/s up on the outskirts of Vienna, Austria, at €21/month, no limits. In parts of the centre you can get 50Mbit/s fibre for a similar price. Anything faster is niche and expensive.

I recently visited South Africa and noticed that the connection to the rest of the world was really slow. SA-based sites loaded at reasonable speeds, but gmail and such took forever. Is that an actual, real problem, or did I just end up on a connection from a bad ISP? I realise that the physical distance alone introduces lag, but visiting web pages hosted in Australia (pretty much as far as you can get from here) isn't noticeably slower from Europe, you just don't want to play FPS games over that sort of distance.

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Post by pistoriusp »

pmjordan wrote: post #14
pistoriusp wrote: post #9

What's the general connection speed of everyone on HN? Does anyone have an insane connection? Mine is 4Mbit/s in South Africa, we're getting 8Mbit/s soon and possibly 10Mbit/s. It's pretty expensive; ~$200 p/m for an shaped and uncapped connection.

I'm getting 8Mbit/s down, 768kbit/s up on the outskirts of Vienna, Austria, at €21/month, no limits. In parts of the centre you can get 50Mbit/s fibre for a similar price. Anything faster is niche and expensive. I recently visited South Africa and noticed that the connection to the rest of the world was really slow. SA-based sites loaded at reasonable speeds, but gmail and such took forever. Is that an actual, real p…

This problem usually occurs with shaped accounts. During working hours the connection is shaped, and therefore, cheaper.

The alternative is to pay a lot of money and have a download cap (5GB ~$67 p/m/ 10GB ~$85 p/m).

Right now, on an unshaped account I've got a 200ms ping to google.com; on a shaped account it'll be ~800ms.

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Post by fudgie »

Several companies offer this here in Norway.

We used to live in a building with 140 apartments, and it shocked me that we had to work for close to 6 months to find more than 10 people interested in getting a true 1Gbps link installed. The rates would end up being cheaper than the ADSL/cable people already had, but still no go.

Originally, we were supposed to bring on board more than 20 people, but the company installing the link felt so bad for us that they went ahead with the few we managed to find anyways.

And then we moved to get out of the city. Back to unstable and horrible cable. Bleh.

Re: So Where Else in the World Can You Get 1 Gbps to the Home?

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Post by ohashi »

pistoriusp wrote: post #9

What's the general connection speed of everyone on HN? Does anyone have an insane connection? Mine is 4Mbit/s in South Africa, we're getting 8Mbit/s soon and possibly 10Mbit/s. It's pretty expensive; ~$200 p/m for an shaped and uncapped connection.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/595054175.png

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Post by nixy »

pistoriusp wrote: post #9

What's the general connection speed of everyone on HN? Does anyone have an insane connection? Mine is 4Mbit/s in South Africa, we're getting 8Mbit/s soon and possibly 10Mbit/s. It's pretty expensive; ~$200 p/m for an shaped and uncapped connection.

I get 100 Mbit/s here in Sweden, included in my rent.

Re: So Where Else in the World Can You Get 1 Gbps to the Home?

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Post by henrikschroder »

houseabsolute wrote: post #10

I know this isn't Reddit so hopefully there will be no whining to preempt here. But I just want to point out that except for two cases on this list, these are just pilot programs, and of the production installations only Sweden's seems widely available.

I seem to remember that there are several places in Japan where you can get it from a commercial provider.

I also remember being envious of some friends up north in Sweden in Luleå that lived in some sort of student apartments where they had 100/100Mbit connections back in 2000 or so, and I think they got upgraded to gigabit, but that's sort of special since it was subsidized by the university to attract students.

You also have people like Peter Löthberg (heavily involved in connecting SUNET to the internet in the 80s) who installed a 40Gb connection at his mother's as an experiment to see how she would use it.

Anyway, there's very little general availability, there's a few limited municipal networks that have the capacity for gigabit. 100/100Mbit is available for a lot of people, and everyone living in a larger city can get 20/3Mbit dsl or cable or similar.

I saw that one cable company has started rolling out 100Mbit, so that'll pressure the existing 100Mbit providers to up their bandwidth.

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Post by andyking »

pistoriusp wrote: post #9

What's the general connection speed of everyone on HN? Does anyone have an insane connection? Mine is 4Mbit/s in South Africa, we're getting 8Mbit/s soon and possibly 10Mbit/s. It's pretty expensive; ~$200 p/m for an shaped and uncapped connection.

I get about 4Mbps on a connection that advertises itself, in true British ISP fashion, as "up-to" 24Mbps. However, I pay a far less eye-watering ~$11 a month for a connection with no formal cap (although there is a "fair use policy" so if you sit seeding torrents for an entire month you're likely to get a nasty letter). It's spotty, unreliable, disconnects and reconnects at a slower speed at night and conks out if someone in the house picks the phone up.

I don't know what it's like in other countries, but no one here seems to get what their connection is "up-to". The closest I know of is a friend in London who gets about 18Mbps.

In my area, they're apparently installing FTTC (cabinet) this summer. It basically means it'll only be copper for the final 100 metres or so and will offer "up-to" 40Mbps. I'll wait and see...

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