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Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

#11

It's POP3. Seriously, one of the easiest to understand mailbox protocols ever. HOW could Microsoft stuff up something like this so badly? Look, I know that mistakes can be made. But in this case, I just can't think of a single excuse that would be satisfactory.

You should see what outlook did to my IMAP folders.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost totally agree. If it wasn't for security fixes, there would be no value in updating almost any software. If it's already working OK, just leave it alone. 15 years ago when people had problems with their graphics cards, the standard "fix" was to update the driver. Now we're still updating drivers. Weren't the problems supposed to have been fixed many years ago? It seems they introduce as many new bugs as they…

It's hard to explain to people, who aren't techies, why I, as a programmer, don't have the latest and greatest software installed asap. I still use Visual Source Safe for my personal projects. It's never failed me in 20 years. Right click, check out, right click checkin. Perfect every time.

> It's never failed me in 20 years. Right click, check out, right click checkin

Right click, branch, right click, merge, right click, tire fire, right click, throw computer out window.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost totally agree. If it wasn't for security fixes, there would be no value in updating almost any software. If it's already working OK, just leave it alone. 15 years ago when people had problems with their graphics cards, the standard "fix" was to update the driver. Now we're still updating drivers. Weren't the problems supposed to have been fixed many years ago? It seems they introduce as many new bugs as they…

It's hard to explain to people, who aren't techies, why I, as a programmer, don't have the latest and greatest software installed asap. I still use Visual Source Safe for my personal projects. It's never failed me in 20 years. Right click, check out, right click checkin. Perfect every time.

Yeah, for real. People think that, like grease monkeys, people who work with computers, and like them, should have the latest and greatest whatever the hell app is going around. Because you know it's going around, like measles. Others, like worser diseases.

A friend and I, him no longer on Facebook, me without it at this point, both have stickies on our cameras all day that we peel off to talk on Facetime. And as we were chatting, he mentioned someone who was a power user but didn't know much. He was downright promiscuous with the software he used, just, terrible. He never even thought of reading a EULA, had every app that fit on his phone (while my friend and I want nothing to do with smartphones), knew how to use all the features...Perhaps we're slightly paranoid users, but it's these tiny religions that keep us from spilling our guts to the whole planet. And it happens, and there's no undo. I know what computers can do, and it's not fun to think about what happens when yours is commandeered. Especially if you look at the situation antagonistically and as a programmer.

I think of old applications, and old computers, the way I think of generic pills: you know what you're getting, the luster is gone from the competitor that once made it look like shit based on vaporware promises, you can trust it no problem, and it's super cheap. And you're used to it, you know the rules, you know how it works. New hardware is expensive, but new software is worse: you pay either in loss of data, highly-targeted advertising, price discrimination when you finally buy something, irresponsibility with data, worrying about getting hacked, getting hacked, countermeasures, getting spammed, or in a mundane but expensive way as with the $5 a month that Danish guy said every app should charge. But most apps just can't man up and charge you a fee, or tell you to go screw, instead, they play it sleazy, they want to traffic a tiny part of you.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

#15

> UPDATE 02/26/2016: ... TL;DR: Disable automatic updates... That's just good advice for dealing with modern software, for which fixes, breakage, and feature churn are all mixed in a single awful stream. "Newer" does not mean "better."

As someone who recently had Android 6.0 available for their phone and decided to upgrade, exactly this

Some genius at Google decided to make the phone vibrate and beep every time there is an open WiFi spot, or you need to sign up to a known one

Really

This kind of crap (not the only one) almost justifies the extra price for iOS

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

#16
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost totally agree. If it wasn't for security fixes, there would be no value in updating almost any software. If it's already working OK, just leave it alone. 15 years ago when people had problems with their graphics cards, the standard "fix" was to update the driver. Now we're still updating drivers. Weren't the problems supposed to have been fixed many years ago? It seems they introduce as many new bugs as they…

It's hard to explain to people, who aren't techies, why I, as a programmer, don't have the latest and greatest software installed asap. I still use Visual Source Safe for my personal projects. It's never failed me in 20 years. Right click, check out, right click checkin. Perfect every time.

I believe you only use VSS because you never knew anything better (AND you work alone), because that's like cutting a steak with a butter knife

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

#17

> UPDATE 02/26/2016: ... TL;DR: Disable automatic updates... That's just good advice for dealing with modern software, for which fixes, breakage, and feature churn are all mixed in a single awful stream. "Newer" does not mean "better."

As someone who recently had Android 6.0 available for their phone and decided to upgrade, exactly this Some genius at Google decided to make the phone vibrate and beep every time there is an open WiFi spot, or you need to sign up to a known one Really This kind of crap (not the only one) almost justifies the extra price for iOS

There's also similar quirkiness with the VPN client. Does notifications for random events, and they aren't even consistent.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

#18

It's POP3. Seriously, one of the easiest to understand mailbox protocols ever. HOW could Microsoft stuff up something like this so badly? Look, I know that mistakes can be made. But in this case, I just can't think of a single excuse that would be satisfactory.

Look what Microsoft did with *.odt (OpenOffice/LibreOffice) compatibility. Now they show bogus security and compatibility warning dialogs if you open or save such a file.

Look what they do with IMAP support in Outlook 2016. Pre-loading just the "Subject" (a feature supported since 1990s) got dropped, instead of the whole email incl attachments is downloaded.

And now we learn POP3 got crippled too. The common Microsoft tactics to lock-in end-user and enterprise customers to proprietary ever changing protocols only fully supported by their most recent server software - their Exchange and Outlook.com/Office365 cloud eco-system.

Microsoft wants you to upgrade to Windows 10 on PC, adopt it on smartphones (even it has just 1.1% market share), on servers, SQL-Server 2016, Exchange 2016, Office365 (subscription based Office 2016 client, cloud based SharePoint 2016 = OneDrive for Business on Azure), Skype for Business (=rebranded Lync), etc. Oh, and they ask you to install their telemetry services for Office on your clients, to get a "full picture". The telemetry and other phone home stuff cannot be turned off, except in the expensive LTSB license version. And several IPs and URLs are white lists in the kernel mode network layer, in all versions.

It's up to you, to help Microsoft to create another monopoly. Or you out smart them and say no.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

#19

> UPDATE 02/26/2016: ... TL;DR: Disable automatic updates... That's just good advice for dealing with modern software, for which fixes, breakage, and feature churn are all mixed in a single awful stream. "Newer" does not mean "better."

I use near weekly updates of a custom Android 6.0 ROM and daily use Arch Linux which is a rolling release. My work is on the web with npm keeping us bleeding edge. Other people often ask why my system does this little extra thing that's useful. Usually the answer is found by --version.

Life with up to date tools can be real good. So unless I'm simply the only one using good tools, updates can be good.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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post #10
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> I still use Visual Source Safe for my personal projects. It's never failed me in 20 years. Right click, check out, right click checkin. Perfect every time. 1st reaction: Horrified that you are still using VSS. 2nd reaction: Was that if it does what you need it to, well, then, who am I to judge? It doesn't matter whether the tool was created yesterday or 20 years ago. 3rd reaction: Does it really do what you need it…

This is horrifying indeed. I cannot imagine any reason to go on using VSS other than a very, very robust aversion to learning anything new. And yes, VSS is very buggy, although the bugs might not show up for a single-user environment always following the happy path.

I've used git on several hosts and subversion back in the day. I have no problem learning new things. Tortoise, bitbucket, github, beanstalk to name a few.

I think your reaction is more horrifying than me not having a compelling reason to change the way I've been doing things without flaw for decades.

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