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Re: This is the most depressing chart in the world

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Why should we expect or even want constant growth?

Is current level of growth even sustainable? (regarding environment, lifestyle issues --stress, depression, etc.--, quality of production, time for people to adapt to new paradigms, etc)?

How about less "growth" and better distribution, more quality, less rat racing?

Re: This is the most depressing chart in the world

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THIS is the most depressing chart in the world: https://stormglas.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/20131116-00180...

This of course boldly assumes that human kind is the main source of carbon emissions, and as boldly assumes that Earth can't really have all this carbon in atmosphere.

Yeah, damn that scientific consensus.

Re: This is the most depressing chart in the world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This of course boldly assumes that human kind is the main source of carbon emissions, and as boldly assumes that Earth can't really have all this carbon in atmosphere.

Well, if the first assumption doesn’t hold, we’ll have to restrict our usage even more. Short of dimming the sun, I don’t see how you can keep “all this carbon in atmosphere” and still only get 2°C.

If the first assumption doesn't hold, restricting ourselves will not matter.

> Short of dimming the sun, I don’t see how you can keep “all this carbon in atmosphere” and still only get 2°C.

This one assumes the carbon is main or even major substance that keeps heat on Earth. You do realize that we have much more water in the atmosphere, and water keeps heat much better than carbon? It's not as simple as "more carbon, higher temperatures".

Re: This is the most depressing chart in the world

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I have very little understanding about economics but I always am scared of large GDP growth because it seems like that is when we go into recession due to bubbles. 1980s led to the recession of the early 1990s. The mid 1990s growth became the 2007-2009 "Great Recession." So this shows growth and it is steady so I don't find this depressing. edited one word

The problem is that slow, steady growth cannot support capitalism. In order to convince investors to risk their money, the economy must promise a more handsome return on their investment. That's why it's "bad news" when the economy "only" grows by 1-2% per year.

>The problem is that slow, steady growth cannot support capitalism.

That sounds more like a solution.

Re: This is the most depressing chart in the world

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It is depressing due to the Y-axis not starting on zero.

Start y at zero is not an absolute rule. For a chart like this where it was not aimed at the general audience, and where the chart is intended to forecast change over time, zooming in is fine.

Re: This is the most depressing chart in the world

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I have very little understanding about economics but I always am scared of large GDP growth because it seems like that is when we go into recession due to bubbles. 1980s led to the recession of the early 1990s. The mid 1990s growth became the 2007-2009 "Great Recession." So this shows growth and it is steady so I don't find this depressing. edited one word

The problem is that slow, steady growth cannot support capitalism. In order to convince investors to risk their money, the economy must promise a more handsome return on their investment. That's why it's "bad news" when the economy "only" grows by 1-2% per year.

The gods are unhappy with us :c With should have some offerings process going so the money rains again..

Re: This is the most depressing chart in the world

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post #12

Why should we expect or even want constant growth? Is current level of growth even sustainable? (regarding environment, lifestyle issues --stress, depression, etc.--, quality of production, time for people to adapt to new paradigms, etc)? How about less "growth" and better distribution, more quality, less rat racing?

For the industrialized world, yes, this sounds reasonable. But bear in mind that the biggest portion of the world still has alarming poverty rates. Those need growth.

Re: This is the most depressing chart in the world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This of course boldly assumes that human kind is the main source of carbon emissions, and as boldly assumes that Earth can't really have all this carbon in atmosphere.

Yeah, damn that scientific consensus.

This scientific consensus already made several heavily wrong estimates. And mind you, we don't have a working, proven model of climate change. We only have some speculations based on some proxy variables, and those speculations tend to ignore most basic physics or statistics (e.g. discussing changes of temperature that are way below observational errors currently possible, or focus on marginal CO2 concentration, while H2O concentration is larger of orders of magnitude, and H2O has, for instance, much higher thermal capacity).

Re: This is the most depressing chart in the world

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I have very little understanding about economics but I always am scared of large GDP growth because it seems like that is when we go into recession due to bubbles. 1980s led to the recession of the early 1990s. The mid 1990s growth became the 2007-2009 "Great Recession." So this shows growth and it is steady so I don't find this depressing. edited one word

The problem is that slow, steady growth cannot support capitalism. In order to convince investors to risk their money, the economy must promise a more handsome return on their investment. That's why it's "bad news" when the economy "only" grows by 1-2% per year.

The chart shows 3% to 3.5%.
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