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I wonder if the visual representation should somehow emphasize the slow calls more. The example on the page immediately draws the attention to that cluster of many fast calls, when the interesting part for optimizations is likely in the 100ms and slower range.
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The way people talk about syscalls depends on your context/point of view. For example doing `open()` for the system is duration, because it does the work of opening a file. For the app, it may as well be latency - how long you're stopped before the file is opened. Since the app doesn't actually execute the open code, it is latency -> from stimulation (called), to response (returned) is the latency of file access. For…
I would disagree with that interpretation. I would talk about the duration of the open() call, in the same way as when you're optimising code, you talk about the duration of a function call, not its latency. Sadly, misuse of the term is rife in software circles. Latency is correctly used when talking about how long an ISR takes to start running when provoked by an external stimulus, or how long it takes for a task to…
A lot of syscalls should be considered atomic with regards to resources. open() has at least two options this applies to. What kind of atomic do you mean?
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I would disagree with that interpretation. I would talk about the duration of the open() call, in the same way as when you're optimising code, you talk about the duration of a function call, not its latency. Sadly, misuse of the term is rife in software circles. Latency is correctly used when talking about how long an ISR takes to start running when provoked by an external stimulus, or how long it takes for a task to…
> and 'calls' are not considered to be atomic in any way. A lot of syscalls should be considered atomic with regards to resources. open() has at least two options this applies to. What kind of atomic do you mean?
Was intending to say that calls are never considered to be instantaneous from either user or sys point of view, they always have duration.
Latency on the other hand is almost always about scheduling, whether OS-level scheduling or hardware (ISR) scheduling.
Another case; network latency is the time between a packet being sent and it being received.... not the time taken to process that packet. That is a direct analogy to what we're talking about here.
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> and 'calls' are not considered to be atomic in any way. A lot of syscalls should be considered atomic with regards to resources. open() has at least two options this applies to. What kind of atomic do you mean?
Sorry, didn't mean atomic. Was intending to say that calls are never considered to be instantaneous from either user or sys point of view, they always have duration. Latency on the other hand is almost always about scheduling, whether OS-level scheduling or hardware (ISR) scheduling. Another case; network latency is the time between a packet being sent and it being received.... not the time taken to process that pack…
These are all both durations in one context and latencies in another. For the app syscalls are "how long did I have to wait for that call to give me a result" so a latency and a duration as well. (just because it's a period of time)
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Sorry, didn't mean atomic. Was intending to say that calls are never considered to be instantaneous from either user or sys point of view, they always have duration. Latency on the other hand is almost always about scheduling, whether OS-level scheduling or hardware (ISR) scheduling. Another case; network latency is the time between a packet being sent and it being received.... not the time taken to process that pack…
I still think you need to specify what latency are we talking about. Scheduling latency is about scheduling. Network interface latency is about putting data in the buffer and then on the wire. Network latency is about actually delivering the packet. Web page latency is about time-to-render. First few pages of google results about various types of latency always qualify it with some other word, so it's not clear anymo…
This indicates that 'web page' latency is nothing to do with redraw-duration, but more akin to network-latency, but for the page as a whole. In comparison to redraw-duration (which is entirely client-side, web-page latency is the time to transit the network... i.e. latency.
In all the above cases, 'latency' is the delay between the stimulus and response, not the processing time.
I'll leave you with the top Google result for 'latency':
"Latency is a time interval between the stimulation and response, or, from a more general point of view, as a time delay between the cause and the effect of some physical change in the system being observed."