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On the other hand, it does concern me that this is one step closer in the race to the bottom for developers.
It won't be long before being a developer is just another poorly paying job.
I have no way to wade through the high volume of identical resumes coming out of these programs. Every Hack Reactor grad has the exact same thing as every other grad. Its very difficult to weed out anyone in this scenario without setting up a call with every grad that applies which isn't a scalable model for hiring junior engineers. The single biggest reason I've not given enough BG's a shot is the level of effort needed of finding a good one or one who's the right fit.
Note some programs have started setting up mechanisms to interact with a bunch of grads in a group (we've done this) and this has been a decent way of doing this.
I've worked with two bootstrap grads, the ones that come from the 8-week program. One of them I hired directly onto my team. It's been a great experience! The developer I hired is moving on because he found a better paying position (as a coder). I view this as a success and I'm happy for him. It took him 8 months to get to this point and I'm sad to see him go. Things I learned: - They come in excited but they have so…
On one hand I am glad that graduates are getting education and opportunities without subjecting themselves to mainstream educational institutions. On the other hand, it does concern me that this is one step closer in the race to the bottom for developers. It won't be long before being a developer is just another poorly paying job.
But in both cases, the results were brutal to the companies that jumped in thoughtlessly. I've no doubt the same is true here again. Over the long term I expect we'll see some big changes in career education but I don't think established professionals are going to be overrun with high school dropouts anytime soon.
On one hand I am glad that graduates are getting education and opportunities without subjecting themselves to mainstream educational institutions. On the other hand, it does concern me that this is one step closer in the race to the bottom for developers. It won't be long before being a developer is just another poorly paying job.
Let's not paint this subject with a broad brush. Depends on the choice and depth of curriculum, length of time, the student and the instructor. Having said that no bootcamp or hacker school can give you 20 years of experience writing and maintaining software. That's really the disavdantage. But natural talent in rare individuals can replace that with intuition, although I'm not sure how people like that do over the l…
Neither does a Masters from M.I.T. or Stanford. I only say this because I'm not exactly sure what your point is. What I hear you saying is, "it takes about two decades to code like you've been doing it for 20 years."
On one hand I am glad that graduates are getting education and opportunities without subjecting themselves to mainstream educational institutions. On the other hand, it does concern me that this is one step closer in the race to the bottom for developers. It won't be long before being a developer is just another poorly paying job.
That kind of attitude can only mean one thing: you doubt your own skills and the usefulness of what you do.
"Bootcamp Grads" is a pretty broad phrase; we might want to start using more precise language. An grad from an 8-week bootcamp will have a different skill set than someone who spent 18, 48, 72 weeks in a bootcamp program. Also, Thoughtbot has a somewhat good guide to running an apprenticeship: https://github.com/thoughtbot/apprenticeship It could be adapted without much work to hiring bootcamp grads.