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Why is the latest AMD hardware unsupported in libreboot?

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Re: Why is the latest AMD hardware unsupported in libreboot?

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To be fair, see: https://libreboot.org/faq/#intel

And they don't list any Nvidia hardware at all here, as far as I can tell: https://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/index.html So I guess their solution is to hoard 2013-vintage hardware for the rest of all time?

Only one desktop motherboard is supported. Can you even find them anymore? Only 5 listed globally on eBay.

Re: Why is the latest AMD hardware unsupported in libreboot?

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tl;dr: It's not just AMD, it's anything AMD after 2013 and anything Intel after 2009. So essentially all modern x86 hardware.

I wonder if you get better performance per watt on 2012 AMD chips or 2008 Intel chips

Most likely not. Perf/watt was one of the aspects both Intel and AMD were focusing on since then.

Re: Why is the latest AMD hardware unsupported in libreboot?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was wondering this myself. I was wondering why they were focusing so much on AMD when all AMD did was copy Intel's horrible idea. It seems kind of pointless to continue the Libreboot project if they're not going to work on any modern hardware for the foreseeable future. Their recommended systems are all old and out of production. Fastest recommended laptop seems to be roughly a Core2Duo at 2.0Ghz.

They don't even do microcode updates, which is ridiculous when you are running non-free microcode to boot.

Well that's the good old GNU/FSF firmware reasoning; its "better" to have the same firmware permanently burned into a chip than have it software upgradeable. Also happens to be one of the reasons I think FSF has lost its way if they ever even had it in the first place.

Re: Why is the latest AMD hardware unsupported in libreboot?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if you get better performance per watt on 2012 AMD chips or 2008 Intel chips

Most likely not. Perf/watt was one of the aspects both Intel and AMD were focusing on since then.

I am guessing that was meant to be a comparison between those two old chips, not a comparison between those older chips and modern ones.

Re: Why is the latest AMD hardware unsupported in libreboot?

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post #5

To be fair, see: https://libreboot.org/faq/#intel

I was wondering this myself. I was wondering why they were focusing so much on AMD when all AMD did was copy Intel's horrible idea. It seems kind of pointless to continue the Libreboot project if they're not going to work on any modern hardware for the foreseeable future. Their recommended systems are all old and out of production. Fastest recommended laptop seems to be roughly a Core2Duo at 2.0Ghz.

They don't work on mainstream PC platforms, but for embedded use Coreboot/Libreboot has a much better story. For example, Atom and Geode systems support it basically by default, and many boards ship with it preinstalled.

Re: Why is the latest AMD hardware unsupported in libreboot?

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tl;dr: It's not just AMD, it's anything AMD after 2013 and anything Intel after 2009. So essentially all modern x86 hardware.

And ARM

On ARM side, RK3288* looks promising:

https://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/c201.html

* Yes, that is the very same RK3288 that has an embarrassing calendar bug discussed here a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10768140

Re: Why is the latest AMD hardware unsupported in libreboot?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was wondering this myself. I was wondering why they were focusing so much on AMD when all AMD did was copy Intel's horrible idea. It seems kind of pointless to continue the Libreboot project if they're not going to work on any modern hardware for the foreseeable future. Their recommended systems are all old and out of production. Fastest recommended laptop seems to be roughly a Core2Duo at 2.0Ghz.

They don't even do microcode updates, which is ridiculous when you are running non-free microcode to boot.

Is it Libreboot who is being ridiculous, or Intel/AMD? Is it worth trusting OEMs with wholesale access to your data and your networks?

Re: Why is the latest AMD hardware unsupported in libreboot?

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Given that AMD and Intel are both driven by large for profit customers and their requirements, these concerns will probably only get worse.

ARM is probably the closest open chip platform out there, but even that is not Free in the FSF sense or $ sense. It seems that the project is going to forgo user-base for principles, and then most likely no longer be relevant.

It's great to try and fight for and defend your principles, but if that means that you no longer have a user base on which to stand, then the fight will be of little value. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I can't logically see another way that this will play out.

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