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Why There Are No Skyscrapers in the Middle of Manhattan (2012)

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Re: Why There Are No Skyscrapers in the Middle of Manhattan (2012)

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Two points: - It's only the "middle" if you ignore everything above 59th street. Which is fair if you're considering skyscrapers but otherwise quite false. - The two peaks roughly correspond to the old city in lower Manhattan, where the financial district is, and to the bottom of central park, where the views are.

Heh as a long time commuter from lower Manhattan to Queens, I always considered 59th street the top of Manhattan. Everything above it doesn't matter (to me)

Re: Why There Are No Skyscrapers in the Middle of Manhattan (2012)

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Two points: - It's only the "middle" if you ignore everything above 59th street. Which is fair if you're considering skyscrapers but otherwise quite false. - The two peaks roughly correspond to the old city in lower Manhattan, where the financial district is, and to the bottom of central park, where the views are.

Heh as a long time commuter from lower Manhattan to Queens, I always considered 59th street the top of Manhattan. Everything above it doesn't matter (to me)

For all of the people that I've come across that have said this (or something similar)...I've not once come across a satisfying reason as to why people take pride in their limited geographic or experiential knowledge of NYC and all/more of its neighborhoods. Sure, all of your needs might be met in X part of the city; but forgoing Y part of the city is missing out on so much more.

Re: Why There Are No Skyscrapers in the Middle of Manhattan (2012)

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I'm not an expert on New York's history, but in a general sense, I don't find the clustering of buildings all that surprising. After all, what's the alternative? Highrises built sporadically around the island in isolated areas? A blanket of highrises covering the entire island? Once an area becomes established as a center of business (for whatever reason), there's a real benefit of living and working in close proximity so consequently other developments take place in the area.

Apart from NYC, it seems to me that roughly every major city I have ever visited had the exact same clustering in certain areas.

Re: Why There Are No Skyscrapers in the Middle of Manhattan (2012)

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh as a long time commuter from lower Manhattan to Queens, I always considered 59th street the top of Manhattan. Everything above it doesn't matter (to me)

For all of the people that I've come across that have said this (or something similar)...I've not once come across a satisfying reason as to why people take pride in their limited geographic or experiential knowledge of NYC and all/more of its neighborhoods. Sure, all of your needs might be met in X part of the city; but forgoing Y part of the city is missing out on so much more.

North of 59th might as well be Yonkers.

Re: Why There Are No Skyscrapers in the Middle of Manhattan (2012)

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post #13

I'm not an expert on New York's history, but in a general sense, I don't find the clustering of buildings all that surprising. After all, what's the alternative? Highrises built sporadically around the island in isolated areas? A blanket of highrises covering the entire island? Once an area becomes established as a center of business (for whatever reason), there's a real benefit of living and working in close proximi…

Not to mention the transportation network that has built up around these areas. For instance, Midtown is fed by multiple train stations, a bus station, multiple tunnels, and an incredible nexus of subway stations. You couldn't add a new high-density area without adding it in an area that's well-served by transportation.

Reflexively, the most likely candidate for a new skyscraper patch (just weighed by transportation support) falls between the two peaks. 14th street is near Penn Station, has the usual grab-bag of uptown/downtown Manhattan subways, the PATH, is also near a tunnel, and has the L train. Not sure why this hasn't happened past zoning reasons.

Re: Why There Are No Skyscrapers in the Middle of Manhattan (2012)

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh as a long time commuter from lower Manhattan to Queens, I always considered 59th street the top of Manhattan. Everything above it doesn't matter (to me)

For all of the people that I've come across that have said this (or something similar)...I've not once come across a satisfying reason as to why people take pride in their limited geographic or experiential knowledge of NYC and all/more of its neighborhoods. Sure, all of your needs might be met in X part of the city; but forgoing Y part of the city is missing out on so much more.

For the same reason people root for their local sports team, it's fun.

Which reminds me, New York City is the greatest city in the history of world civilization and the rest of the country is an endless cultural desert of strip malls and chain restaurants.

Re: Why There Are No Skyscrapers in the Middle of Manhattan (2012)

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post #13

I'm not an expert on New York's history, but in a general sense, I don't find the clustering of buildings all that surprising. After all, what's the alternative? Highrises built sporadically around the island in isolated areas? A blanket of highrises covering the entire island? Once an area becomes established as a center of business (for whatever reason), there's a real benefit of living and working in close proximi…

Not to mention the transportation network that has built up around these areas. For instance, Midtown is fed by multiple train stations, a bus station, multiple tunnels, and an incredible nexus of subway stations. You couldn't add a new high-density area without adding it in an area that's well-served by transportation. Reflexively, the most likely candidate for a new skyscraper patch (just weighed by transportation…

So we should probably start a crowdfunding venture to purchase air rights around 14th street.

Re: Why There Are No Skyscrapers in the Middle of Manhattan (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention the transportation network that has built up around these areas. For instance, Midtown is fed by multiple train stations, a bus station, multiple tunnels, and an incredible nexus of subway stations. You couldn't add a new high-density area without adding it in an area that's well-served by transportation. Reflexively, the most likely candidate for a new skyscraper patch (just weighed by transportation…

So we should probably start a crowdfunding venture to purchase air rights around 14th street.

It might be more useful to crowdfund lobbying for upzoning instead - if you've bought a bunch of air rights around 14th St and the city upzones the whole area those air rights won't be worth so much...

Re: Why There Are No Skyscrapers in the Middle of Manhattan (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention the transportation network that has built up around these areas. For instance, Midtown is fed by multiple train stations, a bus station, multiple tunnels, and an incredible nexus of subway stations. You couldn't add a new high-density area without adding it in an area that's well-served by transportation. Reflexively, the most likely candidate for a new skyscraper patch (just weighed by transportation…

So we should probably start a crowdfunding venture to purchase air rights around 14th street.

With a few exceptions, air rights can only be transferred to contiguous parcels (the two exceptions in Manhattan that I know of are the "Special West Chelsea Air Rights District" and the midtown rezoning around Grand Central).

Curious quirk of NYC real estate: as valuable as air rights are, the City has no formal process to track them other than through the building permit process. There isn't an "air rights" database for example.

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