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Once in Guantánamo, Afghan Now Leads War Against Taliban and ISIS

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Re: Once in Guantánamo, Afghan Now Leads War Against Taliban and ISIS

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Post by tines »

mikeash wrote: post #6
andreyf wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an interesting reframing of "us versus them" here [1]: It's the side of tribalism -- the primitive instinct that says your "group" has to win at all costs, and I honestly don't care how you define your group (race, religion, country, way of life) because ultimately I think there are the only two sides: A. Those who think their tribe has to dominate Earth; B. Those who think tribes can coexist. It's especiall…

I find it ironic hat the author is dividing all of humanity into two tribes (A and B) and then stating that they cannot coexist.

The philosopher Karl Popper wrote about this and called it the Paradox of Tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: Once in Guantánamo, Afghan Now Leads War Against Taliban and ISIS

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Post by yourepowerless »

icebraining wrote: post #9
yourepowerless wrote: post #8

How sweet, wonderful propaganda, mean while other innocents at Guantanamo experience the joys of anal rehydration and the Kafka esque life of indefinite imprisonment without trial. But yeah, I'm glad the NY times can share such heart warming news.

Well, to me, "the US government is keeping innocents in Guantanamo that could be fighting the Taliban and ISIS" doesn't sound like pro-government propaganda.

Trotting out the token good case scenario while torture occurs in the bad case is classic propaganda, but way to defend torture, you get a hold star today.

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Post by brbsix »

icebraining wrote: post #9
yourepowerless wrote: post #8

How sweet, wonderful propaganda, mean while other innocents at Guantanamo experience the joys of anal rehydration and the Kafka esque life of indefinite imprisonment without trial. But yeah, I'm glad the NY times can share such heart warming news.

Well, to me, "the US government is keeping innocents in Guantanamo that could be fighting the Taliban and ISIS" doesn't sound like pro-government propaganda.

It is a much better story than: Former prison camp detainees join ISIS with renewed vigor (certainly the most likely scenario)

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Post by jacquesm »

brbsix wrote: post #13
icebraining wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to me, "the US government is keeping innocents in Guantanamo that could be fighting the Taliban and ISIS" doesn't sound like pro-government propaganda.

It is a much better story than: Former prison camp detainees join ISIS with renewed vigor (certainly the most likely scenario)

And unfortunately with a much better reason.

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Post by jryle80 »

yourepowerless wrote: post #8

How sweet, wonderful propaganda, mean while other innocents at Guantanamo experience the joys of anal rehydration and the Kafka esque life of indefinite imprisonment without trial. But yeah, I'm glad the NY times can share such heart warming news.

So when the NYT maintains such a page, is it also part of their propaganda?

http://projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo

And when Newsweek reported on a case that reflects negatively on the US, is it also propaganda?

http://www.newsweek.com/morocco-delays-terrorism-trial-relea...

Not to mention the controversial one it published in 2005:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Quran_desecration_controv...

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Post by pvaldes »

I hope that this is not another textbook case of abused gets abuser, and "fiercely effective fighter". To put traumatized people at charge, is a good new for the innocent civilians trapped in the villages currently controlled by terrorists?. I doubt so.
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