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Carnegie Mellon student robbed, uses iPhone to track down culprits

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Re: Carnegie Mellon student robbed, uses iPhone to track down culprits

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Why are the culprits in the story referred to as "actors"?

That's what we would often call them in crime stories, and it's a common word in a lot of newspapers. It's nice because it doesn't imply guilt... it just states who is involved. I used to edit The Tartan.

Is there a lot of that kind of crime near the campus?

Re: Carnegie Mellon student robbed, uses iPhone to track down culprits

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post #6

Why are the culprits in the story referred to as "actors"?

That's what we would often call them in crime stories, and it's a common word in a lot of newspapers. It's nice because it doesn't imply guilt... it just states who is involved. I used to edit The Tartan.

How is not implying guilt nice? I've seen the same concept in calling criminals 'suspects', but when you've just seen someone shoot someone else (for example), not implying guilt shouldn't be taken into consideration.

Re: Carnegie Mellon student robbed, uses iPhone to track down culprits

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what we would often call them in crime stories, and it's a common word in a lot of newspapers. It's nice because it doesn't imply guilt... it just states who is involved. I used to edit The Tartan.

How is not implying guilt nice? I've seen the same concept in calling criminals 'suspects', but when you've just seen someone shoot someone else (for example), not implying guilt shouldn't be taken into consideration.

Presumably the reporter didn't just see the crime in question.

Re: Carnegie Mellon student robbed, uses iPhone to track down culprits

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what we would often call them in crime stories, and it's a common word in a lot of newspapers. It's nice because it doesn't imply guilt... it just states who is involved. I used to edit The Tartan.

How is not implying guilt nice? I've seen the same concept in calling criminals 'suspects', but when you've just seen someone shoot someone else (for example), not implying guilt shouldn't be taken into consideration.

Not implying guilt should be taken into consideration. People have a legal right to a fair trial, if they don't get one you lose the ability to prosecute as the verdict can easily be thrown out in the face of infallible evidence due to a tainted jury pool.

Many times, the law isn't concerned with what you did but why you did it. I could shoot someone in the middle of the street in front of 200 people, however he might have just tried to sink me with a knife to get my wallet. It's the jury's job to decide whether I'm guilty on all the evidence, not on what a newspaper publishes.

This is why in Crown countries the government frequently has the ability to put a press-embargo on a case until after conviction.

Re: Carnegie Mellon student robbed, uses iPhone to track down culprits

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what we would often call them in crime stories, and it's a common word in a lot of newspapers. It's nice because it doesn't imply guilt... it just states who is involved. I used to edit The Tartan.

How is not implying guilt nice? I've seen the same concept in calling criminals 'suspects', but when you've just seen someone shoot someone else (for example), not implying guilt shouldn't be taken into consideration.

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Re: Carnegie Mellon student robbed, uses iPhone to track down culprits

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what we would often call them in crime stories, and it's a common word in a lot of newspapers. It's nice because it doesn't imply guilt... it just states who is involved. I used to edit The Tartan.

How is not implying guilt nice? I've seen the same concept in calling criminals 'suspects', but when you've just seen someone shoot someone else (for example), not implying guilt shouldn't be taken into consideration.

Then you say you saw A shoot B. What you don't say is that A is a murderer.

(Note: I really despise the use of the word "actors" in the article, though. It's less wordy than "alleged theives" or whatever, but it could also have been omitted entirely. "The two actors" ---> "The two" etc.)

Re: Carnegie Mellon student robbed, uses iPhone to track down culprits

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post #6

Why are the culprits in the story referred to as "actors"?

That's what we would often call them in crime stories, and it's a common word in a lot of newspapers. It's nice because it doesn't imply guilt... it just states who is involved. I used to edit The Tartan.

using the word actor in this case adds no information and confuses people not familiar with this use, someone skimming quickly might think it was a play. Why not: men, youths, students, locals? Make the story more clear by adding more, accurate detail; not more confusing by trying to maintain some obscure notion of political correctness.

Re: Carnegie Mellon student robbed, uses iPhone to track down culprits

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A friend just told me today that he got his iphone stolen by a class mate. He went to the police, gave them the UID of the phone, and he got it back 3 days later.

Apperantly, as he told me, the police contacted apple which gave them the exact position of the mobile phone through the build in gps device, so the police could just pick it up.

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